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vampireslayer900 
further down the Spiral
(7/30/02 4:54:07 pm)
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Japanese
Say I seriously wanted to learn Japanese from scratch. How hard a time would I have exactly?

VampireSlayer900

Saul
out from the well
(7/30/02 5:23:04 pm)
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Re: Japanese
Well they say interest is the best teacher, if you put the effort in and you like learning it then maybe you could have a good grasp of it within a year and a half (i am talking about speaking, not the writing) it is all down to how much you want to learn it. If you are serious and do the study then you can do it.

Death smiles upon man... As a man, all I can do is smile back.

ring rasen loop
Administrator, Ring guru
(7/30/02 8:11:26 pm)
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Re: Japanese
You'll have a tough time of it at first if you're like me. I made good grades, but my head hurt devilishly fierce trying to cram in three different writing systems and adapt to the whacked-out sentence structure. Things settled down by the end of the first semester, made sense in the second, and by the third I was chirping away like an annoying little bird!

You may catch on faster than I did, though, so you shouldn't let this story bother you too much. Learning Japanese may be tough, but it's strangely addictive.

p/s - If you haven't checked it out yet, see this thread about Japanese language learning:

pub70.ezboard.com/ftherin...ID=5.topic


j.

Edited by: ring rasen loop at: 7/30/02 8:13:30 pm
Disco Supafly
the chosen infected
(7/30/02 8:52:02 pm)
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Re: Japanese
The first part is always the hardest. You probably WILL want to give up after 6 months. God knows, I did. But honestly, once you have a working understanding of how it's all put together, it's then just a matter of constantly building up your vocabulary.
Don't worry too much about the kanji, not even the Japanese can really remember it well. (!) Try immersion techniques like I did. Watch Japanese movies, read Japanese manga. At all times, have a Japan-English dictionary with you, so when that annoying word you always forget comes up again, look it up. Try to think of what you just said to someone in Japanese. Run random sentences through your head.
But above all, "feel" the force - and do not give in to the dark side.

Turtle God Kame
the chosen infected
(7/30/02 9:10:48 pm)
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kame's still in the "head hurts" phase... maybe next semester I'll get over it... even though I'm relitively new to it all

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Disco Supafly
the chosen infected
(7/30/02 9:17:51 pm)
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"NO! Do not try! DO! .. Or do not! There is no try!"

Turtle God Kame
the chosen infected
(7/30/02 9:23:36 pm)
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what ARE you talkin bouts?
"Dont put marbles up your nose, put them in there, do not put them in there. Dont put marbles up your nose, put them in there, do not put them in there. Dont put marbles up your nose, put them in there, do not put them in there. Dont put marbles up your nose, put them in there, do not put them in there. Dont put marbles up your nose, put them in there, do not put them in there. Dont put marbles up your nose, put them in there, do not put them in there. Dont put marbles up your nose, put them in there, do not put them in there. Dont put marbles up your nose, put them in there, do not put them in there. Dont put marbles up your nose, put them in there, do not put them in there..."

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Disco Supafly
the chosen infected
(7/30/02 9:52:32 pm)
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Re: what ARE you talkin bouts?
Err, I could ask the same thing, Kame. I was channelling Master Yoda.

Hokay, Disco is going out now. Later, yo!

Turtle God Kame
the chosen infected
(7/30/02 10:11:37 pm)
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dont put marbles up your nose!
its from a song from the cartoon Home Movies

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Great Horror
manipulator of the Virus
(7/31/02 6:35:51 am)
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Re: dont put marbles up your nose!
home movies is ace!

She broke my heart, I wanna be sedated. All I wanted was to see her naked!

vampireslayer900 
further down the Spiral
(7/31/02 9:53:43 am)
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Re: Japanese
Well I ordered that Oxford Take Off In Japanese book/cd combo to begin with. I'll see how it goes from that. Quite cheap too I must say! Only 20!

VampireSlayer900

Gibal Sandwich
manipulator of the Virus
(7/31/02 3:41:51 pm)
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Re: Japanese
www.japanese-online.com/language/

im not sure if thats been mentioned...but its quite ggod.

vampireslayer900 
further down the Spiral
(7/31/02 3:50:49 pm)
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Re: Japanese
Thanks. That'll keep me going until the book is delivered.

VampireSlayer900

Kiriyama06
manipulator of the Virus
(7/31/02 4:54:03 pm)
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Re: Japanese
I just got that book today (I got the 4 CD pack and it was still ony 26!...class!) and so far I really like it it seems intelligently put together and its got a good mix of audio (perfect for me seeing as I don't have access to a Japanese speaker often) and activites, vocab lists and all sorts of things. I did units 1.1 and 1.2 today ad found em fairly easy to get to grips with, and from those 2 fairly basic units I found I'd learnt a fair few new words. Incidently if ever you wanna try out your basic roumaji online feel free to start a thread in the Nihongo forum and I'm bound to chime in :)

vampireslayer900 
further down the Spiral
(7/31/02 5:33:48 pm)
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Re: Japanese
Yeah thats the pack I got (it comes to near enough 26 once postage is added!). I also got this other one which I was advised to get called Easy Japanese by this guy who I can't remember off hand.

Anyhow, my japanese so far is limited to "hello" so maybe once I've gota grip of the basics I can practice it on the Nihongo forum.

VampireSlayer900

Turtle God Kame
the chosen infected
(8/2/02 10:25:15 pm)
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heh
anyone have the "making out in japan" books? hehehe, everything you need to know is in that

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ring rasen loop
Administrator, Ring guru
(8/3/02 7:22:51 am)
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Making out in Japan(ese)?
LOL! If it's the series written by the white guy and illustrated by his Japanese wife (vol. 1 had a large male/female symbol on the cover) I read those suckers back in '90 when I first started studying Japanese! They still print those?! LOL. Those were pretty straightforward and free of slang (as I recall) so they should have aged alright.

As for moldy oldies,though, might as well bring up "Japanese Street Slang" by Constantine and that one by Seward, "Bad Japanese" or something like that. Those two are so horribly outdated it makes zero sense for you to take the time to study them, unless your idea of a "far out" good time is to ring your friends on the "Alexander Graham" and start "putting on the Ritz." Avoid!

(p/s - the above terms don't actually appear in the books, I'm just trying to illustrate how outdated the Japanese is, from words that no one uses anymore to ones that are flat-out "dead" and unknown by anyone under 50).

And by the way, Wicked Japanese, while devilishly amusing, has pretty wretched translations. Should probably avoid that one as well.


j.

Turtle God Kame
the chosen infected
(8/3/02 12:17:32 pm)
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?
what's wrong with far out yo?

hehehehe, well, everyone already thinks I talk like some old samurai anyways... maybe I should stop saying washii.... mmmm... nah!

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Disco Supafly
the chosen infected
(8/5/02 9:00:50 pm)
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Re: Making out in Japanese
I have that one, too!! I ALSO used it as a good starting point. Too bad he puts it all in a Tokyou accent, though. Ie: "Jyoudan jaNEEEyo!"

However, there were some classics in that book which have helped me no end. Case in point:

"Mou ashitenai kara, denwa bango kaeru!"