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BAFFLED
shambler
(8/19/02 3:31:59 pm)
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Beat Takeshi (was "Did I see the right movie?")
I realize I am opening myself up to tons of hate, but I finally just saw "RINGU" after researching the film for over 3 years and am wondering what in the hell is so scary about this film?

1. For a horror film to truly scare, one must make the premise somewhat believable. The idea of a "haunted videotape" doesn't exactly chill. I sat thru most of the movie wondering what production company Sadako hired to assemble the video clips.

2. Nothing happens in this film! I realize much of it is supposed to be building suspense over when the reporter and her ex are supposed to be knocked off, but good God - the drawn-out unravelling of the mystery played out like a bad Hardy Boys episode!

3. WTF??! When Sadako finally emerges from the TV, I'm like - what is this, a Dire Straits video?!

Perhaps I had my hopes up too high, with all the "scarier than The Exorcist!" recommendations I have been reading, but this film wouldn't even make my top 25 Best Horror Movies Of All Time.

I knew Hollywood would ruin whatever it did to RINGU even before I had seen it, only now I can only hope for an improvment.

I purchased both RINGU 1 & 2 at the same time, and only hope 2 improves on the original...that is, when I finally get around to bother seeing it.

ps: I hated the Blair Witch, so that might've had something to do with it to.

OK....unleash the hate!

:(

Edited by: ring rasen loop at: 8/25/02 11:07:48 am
vampireslayer900 
further down the Spiral
(8/19/02 3:38:04 pm)
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Re: Did I see the right movie?
I don't find it scary either (not in the oh-my-god-gore! kind of way anyway).

It is scary on a psychological level though. BWP was the same. It disturbs us because of what we can't see, what we don't know and this general feeling of unease about the situation. Ring plays with our minds rather than subjecting us to gore and scares as we see in so many of the slasher movies nowadays.

It is an example of a new breed of intellectual horror, which I think is very clever and at times much more scary than everything being thrown in your face.

Edited by: vampireslayer900  at: 8/19/02 3:40:03 pm
Mister Grey
manipulator of the Virus
(8/19/02 3:40:49 pm)
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The Answer
The answer is simple: You're a cynic with no imagination

vampireslayer900 
further down the Spiral
(8/19/02 3:42:01 pm)
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Re: The Answer
.....or that. :)



VampireSlayer900
Or Kevin to his friends.

greenhitop
further down the Spiral
(8/19/02 6:21:53 pm)
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Re: The Answer

First question..

What is your favorite horror film? Second...how
much did your read before actually seeing the film?


RING is fantastic IMHO. It's not a shocker like
a slasher film nor a blatant monster film. RING
is more like the films "The Omen" and "Rosemary's Baby".
The dread is built up around a solid foundation of
characters that you actually get to know or feel for.
The acting is serious, and isn't played for laughs. There's
no cheap deaths..everything revolves around the plot.
It's plot driven, and the tone is dread. In all 3 films
you the viewer is swept along with the unraveling of
the mystery.

I think if you view the film with the attitude of..
"hey ..go ahead scare the hell out of me, I'm waiting"
it's not going to happen. You the viewer must also
be involved by actually following the storyline.

Like "Rosemary's Baby", "The Omen"- "RING" isn't
done in quick MTV video cuts either. The camera lingers
on scenes. "RING" is a movie that makes you think- it's
not a fastfood type flim.

BAFFLED
Sadako slave
(8/19/02 8:00:52 pm)
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Re: The Answer
I agree with the descriptions of what a true horror film should be...low on blood content and heavy on atmospheric dread. I just felt that RING 1 didn't fully deliver...

Now, I've just finished watching RING 2 only minutes ago and I have to say that this was what I just what I was looking for in a quality horror film. The dread level was up, the ghastly apparitions were present and an overall feeling of discomfort throughout...specifically the mirror scene.

It's my opinion that 1 was pure setup and 2 was payoff. But again, that's just me.

I now look forward to viewing Ring 0.

Thanks for your input...

some of my fave horror films:
Rosemary's Baby
The Shining
Don't Look Now
The Others
The Devil's Backbone
Rashomon (tho not strictly horror, it contains one of my favourite ghost scenes)
Ghost Story
Let's Scare Jessica To Death
The Exorcist
The Sentinel
Carnival Of Souls
The Universal Monster Films
The Fog
Halloween
Village Of The Damned
Psycho
Silence of the Lambs
Evil Dead
Salem's Lot
The Changeling
Angel Heart
Martin
etc, etc...

Saul
manipulator of the Virus
(8/19/02 8:54:21 pm)
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Re: Did I see the right movie?
but I finally just saw "RINGU" after researching the film for over 3 years

you knew too much, no mystery or supense you spoiled it for yourself. See if you had never seen or heard of it before then it would have more impact.


Death smiles upon man... As a man, all I can do is smile back.

greenhitop
further down the Spiral
(8/19/02 9:01:40 pm)
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Re: Did I see the right movie?


Baffled,

You've got some great films listed. Nice to see someone
mention the underated "The Fog", and "Ghost Story".

Personally I thought "The 6th sense" was boring, and way
to predictable. I didn't think "The Others" was all that
great either. I liked "Blair Witch", even "Poltergiest" or
"Burnt Offerings";but I think Hollywood just doesn't make
good horror films anymore with the exception of "Silence
of the Lambs " or "7", and even that is very in your face.

Wizard2
Sadako slave
(8/19/02 10:10:11 pm)
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Your oppinion
I liked 6th Sense and especially loved the Others. With Blair Witch Project as well as Signs, in my oppinion horror is making a huge comeback.
Compared to some of the 80s stuff like the mentioned the Fog (which had a great concept and some cool images but I thought it was a bad B movie overall)
and other films, I think the newer stuff is more intelligent and hits you on more levels psychologically than just cheap scares. We're starting to get back into the realm of stuff like Rosemary's Baby.
Not that there aren't any stinkers, I hated House on Haunted Hill and have no interest in Ghost Ship.
To each their own.

Saul
manipulator of the Virus
(8/19/02 10:22:11 pm)
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My oppinion
Just for the record I hated 'The Others'
still hate it
always will hate it



Death smiles upon man... As a man, all I can do is smile back.

Huw Lines
manipulator of the Virus
(8/20/02 3:37:22 am)
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Re: My oppinion
Finally - someone else who's seen LET'S SCARE JESSICA TO DEATH! Brilliant little film, especially the girl rising from the lake. Brrrr;)

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the chosen infected
(8/20/02 7:43:46 am)
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Re: My oppinion
Erm, 'wouldnt make it into my top 25', eh?
Sadako didnt hire anyoneto make the tape, she.......Im not even gonna bother explaining any of it. This forum is for people to share there love for the film, not ni-pick at stuff which they will find out in Ring 2 or even just by reading J's 'FAQ' on the Ringworld site.

Good-day to you.

TGH

Huw Lines
manipulator of the Virus
(8/20/02 9:40:08 am)
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Re: The Answer
Some great films listed there. If you haven't seen them, check out some of the older Japanese supernatural horror films, such as Onibaba, Kwaidan, and Ugetsu Monogatari.

Also, the old Val Lewton films made for RKO are some of the most intelligent, subtle, yet scary movies ever made. Especially good are I Walked with a Zombie, Cat People, The Body Snatcher, The Seventh Victim, and The Leopard Man.

Jacques Tourneur's masterpiece Curse of the Demon (based on M.R. James's classic tale Casting the Runes, which quite possibly influenced Ring) is another great oldie and it's being issued on DVD this month.

I'm glad to see The Changeling and Carnival of Souls on your list; these are both great films, incredibly atmospheric. I would also add to your list Mario Bava's Black Sunday, Jack Clayton's The Innocents (based on The Turn of the Screw), Robert Wise's The Haunting, and a more recent film called The Woman in Black, which is very frightening.

eabaker
citizen of the Loopworld
(8/20/02 12:21:43 pm)
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Re: The Answer
I really don't agree with the idea that a horror film needs a "believable" premise. That's what we have suspension of disbelief for. One goes into any movie with the basic premise in mind, and says, "okay, accepting that premise as truth, show me what might occur."

Kitano
manipulator of the Virus
(8/20/02 12:27:15 pm)
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Mmmm...
...or maybe you saw the Rong movie.

greenhitop
further down the Spiral
(8/20/02 8:34:17 pm)
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Re: Mmmm...

"Believable Premise"?

If a film is crafted well enough, any premise
could be believable. Good film makers make
you believe that it's happening.

Santi
Sadako slave
(8/21/02 6:07:27 am)
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Re: Did I see the right movie?
Hey there, it's BAFFLED...I had to change my name due to computer malfunctions (sadako at work due to my negative comments?)

I just wanted to say...I do stand by my statement about a film needing to contain a premise that is believable to start with. Suspension of disbelief is something that can only be held up so high. Once the premise is set, then mostly anything can develop from there.

And thanks for the interesting recommendations, Huw Lines...I do agree with you about the films of Val Lewton. Some great b&w classics there. I nearly listed The Innocents as well.
The Woman In Black film you mentioned has got me intrigued...was this originally a BBC tv film? Any info would be greatly appreciated...


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the chosen infected
(8/22/02 6:10:22 am)
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Re: Did I see the right movie?
Aint she dead? Or am I getting this mixed up with that daft bint who tired to get the BBC to edit every show they had?

Before you die, you see...ME

Huw Lines
manipulator of the Virus
(8/22/02 6:23:18 am)
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Re: Did I see the right movie?
Santi, The Woman in Black is based on a fairly recent (70's or 80's I think) supernatural novel by Susan Hill. Nigel Kneale, who wrote the Quatermass screenplays, supplied the script, and it was directed by Herbert Wise. It stars Adrian Rawlins, Bernard Hepton,David Daker, and Pauline Moran (as the eponymous 'woman in black'). The film was made in 1989, for television, and it is an old-fashioned type ghost story in the tradition of M.R. James and J. Sheridan LeFanu. It's also one of the creepiest films I've ever seen - far more scary than The Others and The Sixth Sense. It's available on VHS and DVD (BFS Video), and is well worth tracking down if you prefer nerve-jangling scares and atmosphere to blood and gore.

Ringy
further down the Spiral
(8/22/02 11:07:42 am)
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The Woman in Black
My school organised a trip to see the play...only 7 or so people actually went, but it was a really good night.

The first half we were all sitting down watching, wondering what on earth was going to happen and sat huddled in the girls toilets at the interval discussing whether or not to go back and watch the rest because we are a bunch of wusses and were scared out of out wits.

We went back. We watched. We screamed. As did everyone else in the theatre.

And I've only noticed this now, but it does have a very "Ringu" feeling to it. High atmosphere and the whole "see this scary lady, something bad will happen" thing. If you can see it at a theatre its worth it! Just don't expect to get much sleep afterwards...

Huw Lines
manipulator of the Virus
(8/22/02 11:41:03 am)
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Re: The Woman in Black
Ringy, thanks for reminding me that The Woman in Black was also produced as a play - I'd forgotten that!

I haven't seen the play, but if it's half as creepy as the film or the book, it'd be worth going to.

Nigel Kneale, who wrote the screenplay, has been involved in some great projects. Obviously the Quatermass films (especially Quatermass and the Pit, of which there are two versions, both excellent) - but also a fairly obscure film called The Stone Tape, which has recently been released on DVD by the British Film Institute, and is well worth a look. It has quite a similar theme to Quatermass and the Pit.
In addition to the Quatermass scripts, which were published by Penguin in the 60's and are excellent, he wrote a short story collection with the strange title of Tomato Cain.

sirand
shambler
(8/22/02 5:37:36 pm)
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Grrr...
<<The idea of a "haunted videotape" doesn't exactly chill. I sat thru most of the movie wondering what production company Sadako hired to assemble the video clips.>>

It was psychic images projected onto tape. It's a very real theory and practice that Ring was spinning into fiction.

This is why I hate American audiences. They have no imagination and can't suspend their disbelief unless they see the same old @#%$ in horror films countless times. They also get baffled (no pun intended) when a film takes it's time to create atmosphere and characters and they get confused or ramble about plot holes when a story tries to be ambiguous.

Now as for the American Ring remake cursed video...
I'm wondering what production company Samara hired to assemble the video. It looks like it was cut at MTV.

ring rasen loop
Administrator, Ring guru
(8/22/02 7:33:48 pm)
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Re: Grrr...
Quote:
This is why I hate American audiences. They have no imagination and can't suspend their disbelief unless they see the same old @#%$ in horror films countless times.

I'm American, and I happen to have-- with the help of many excellent Ring fans from many different countries-- put together the most extensive resource for the Ring on the planet. Food for thought.


j.

Edited by: ring rasen loop at: 8/22/02 7:35:13 pm
Kiriyama06
manipulator of the Virus
(8/22/02 8:06:13 pm)
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Re: Grrr...
I can see exactly where he's coming from!! I don't think he's laying into America as a whole (well he might be I'm not him...or her..I'm just guessing...I wish i'd never written this bracket I'm talking arse!) but the bulk (and I do mean bulk!) of the filmgoing public of the western world are a bunch of narrow minded assholes. I know cos gotta deal with these people every day. Granted, there are quite a few who appreciate well scripted beautifully shot/directed movies with character development and the whole 9 but these guys are far outnumbered by the people who don't wanna know unless its got explosions/death/sex/all of the above in it. For example a customer a few days ago asked what was the best film I'd seen so far this year that was in the shop still. I answered Battle Royale and gave him a full lowdown on wy it's great. He seemed thoroughly impressed and brought it up to the counter saying "this sounds great can't wait to see it" but then...I mention the dreaded phrase..."it's gt subtitles" "subtitles? bloody hell won't bother with that then!" he then goes and pick something else. Now while I appreciate everyone is entitled to their own opinion which is why I won't bother moaning at Baffled, so he didn't like Ring? oh well at least he gave it the chance! jeez didn't realise how long this post was. Kinda shows how much this pisses me off really don't it :lol

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the chosen infected
(8/23/02 5:36:07 am)
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Re: Grrr...
Ringy, where have u been?

Before you die, you see...ME

Santi
Sadako slave
(8/23/02 6:00:04 am)
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Re: Grrr...
Jesus, sorry to start a racial war over this. I can't believe some people can judge an entire nation based solely on one man's opinion of a movie. Yipes...now that's scary.

Try reading the list of some of my favourite horror films (I posted under Baffled) and then decide if I don't favour atmosphere and character development over obvious faux-shock.

Anyway, thank you Huw Lines for more intelligent and excellent recommendations and all the information on "The Woman In Black", a film I am currently hunting down and am anxious to see.

vampireslayer900 
further down the Spiral
(8/23/02 6:25:09 am)
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Re: Grrr...
It is true though that westerners (not just Americans) as a whole have a little bit less appreciation for the type of film Ring is than it's country of origin. Hell, I'm the first to admit it. But that doesn't mean that we CAN'T.

Edited by: vampireslayer900  at: 8/23/02 6:29:39 am
Great Horror
the chosen infected
(8/23/02 6:46:04 am)
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Re: Grrr...
It has been proven that if you show an American a map, theyll say America is the biggest country on it....

And anyway, we all have our own opinions, so each to his own, eh?

Before you die, you see...ME

sirand
shambler
(8/23/02 9:44:41 am)
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Re: Grrr...
<< I can see exactly where he's coming from!! I don't think he's laying into America as a whole (well he might be I'm not him...or her..I'm just guessing...I wish i'd never written this bracket I'm talking arse!) but the bulk (and I do mean bulk!) of the filmgoing public of the western world are a bunch of narrow minded assholes. >>

I'm an American too, and that's exactly what I'm saying. The American public doesn't appreciate films on the level that other countries do. They want their 90 minutes of escapism and don't want to think about anything.

In most other countries, the movie-going public pays more attention to the filmmakers than the stars (ask an American to name a director besides Speilberg or Tarintino).

My beef with the moronic public is that they are the ones who dictate the kind of stuff we get and see in this country! You're average moviegoer prefers "Fast and the Furious" but won't even give "Brotherhood of the Wolf" a chance because they have to look at subtitles.

It pisses me off!

Kitano Clone
shambler
(8/23/02 9:54:59 am)
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True cinema
Don't bother, japanese people aren't much into japanese movies either.
Saw what happened with Beat Takeshi...?

With "art-movies" in general, it's the same all over the world. Those so called "art movies", with few rare exceptions, are the only I really enjoy, for a very simple reason; these are the movies that exist for their own sake, they are pure form of expression, not 'products'.

I'm very much into japanese cinema right now simply because of the enthusiasm and humblety the team usually gives to the whole enterprise, even when it is of commercial roots (usually it is).

Kitano
manipulator of the Virus
(8/23/02 10:07:13 am)
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Re: True cinema
We we don't get used to the notion that money is what makes the world spin, we're gonna have a tough time dealing with about everything.

This even more if you're already infected with the disease of the civilized world.


Or..."The Corporate World"!!!

Edited by: Kitano at: 8/23/02 10:08:02 am
Huw Lines
manipulator of the Virus
(8/23/02 11:27:28 am)
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Humblety
Kitano Clone, you have invented a new word, I think, but I like it! Reminds me of Humpty Dumpty;)

Kitano
manipulator of the Virus
(8/23/02 11:35:34 am)
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Re: Humblety
Heh...errr...glad yu lake et? ::gulp:::|
(Kitano Clone fastly checking dictionary)

Huw Lines
manipulator of the Virus
(8/23/02 11:48:15 am)
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Re: Humblety
I shore doo lake et;) A lott!

Kitano
manipulator of the Virus
(8/23/02 12:25:02 pm)
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Re: Humblety
Heheh, english is not my native language;)

sirand
shambler
(8/23/02 12:33:48 pm)
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k
<< With "art-movies" in general, it's the same all over the world. Those so called "art movies", with few rare exceptions, are the only I really enjoy, for a very simple reason; these are the movies that exist for their own sake, they are pure form of expression, not 'products'.

I'm very much into japanese cinema right now simply because of the enthusiasm and humblety the team usually gives to the whole enterprise, even when it is of commercial roots (usually it is). >>

I am too for the same reasons...although I like to find a good medium between the two types. I like uncommercial films that are made as expression, but still keep their audiences in mind. Those are the best.

I hate it when a movie just strives too hard for formulaic commercialism or are too "art house" for their own good. I hate people like Beat Takashi who's films are nothing more than self-indulgent jerk-off expressionist material.

Kitano Clone
shambler
(8/23/02 1:10:24 pm)
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Art House
I understand your point perfectly.

I like Takeshi Kitano's works even though I know it's cynical work, due to his cynical nature.
Let's see... I like, or better, I'm interested in his films in a way wich is more close to 'inspiration', you know? I consider myself as an image lover, and I tend to compare his images to photographs, still images.
I like to draw some comics in my spare time, and I happen to feel inspired by the imagery in his movies.
But at times his movies are unbearable. It depends.
My interest in his movies is almost 'professional'...
In a way I 'use' them, rather than 'like' them.

"Self-indulgent Jerk-off expressionist material" is an expression I have no trouble in accepting, because I'm the first to recognize it's true.

The most important is knowing who you're dealing with. I know Kitano isn't particulary a good person, but I really don't give a sh!t...I know he's not giving a @#%$ to if I like him or his works, either.

I'm not blind. That's central point.

The Binman
manipulator of the Virus
(8/23/02 4:23:20 pm)
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Re: k
Hey, but it's entertaining self-indulgent jerk-off expressionist material. And in the end isn't that what really matters?

Kitano Clone
shambler
(8/23/02 4:27:30 pm)
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Yep
That's aaaaall that matters.

The Binman
manipulator of the Virus
(8/23/02 4:40:07 pm)
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Re: Yep
And besides, Beat's taped some flowers to his head in one of his films. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
That's gotta count for something.

Kiriyama06
manipulator of the Virus
(8/23/02 4:57:00 pm)
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Re: Yep
What about Hana-bi? that didn't strike me as "overly art house" or "self indulgent (well maybe a little but on the whole I thought It was a well-directed and written movie
and some of the shots are outstanding. Maybe I've not seen enough of Kitanos work yet to comment but what I have seen I've fully enjoyed (except Violent cop cos they only bothered to sub half the movie >: / Boiling Point despite te flowers on head was a little too drawn out as well)

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The Binman
manipulator of the Virus
(8/24/02 5:11:00 am)
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Re: Yep
I loved Boiling Point.
Mainly because Beat played such a horrible, HORRIBLE piece of crap. That character had absolutely no redeeming features. There is a lot of standing around and eating ice cream though.

Hana-Bi was a liiiiitle self indulgent. Especially the scene with the animal/flower paintings. That went on FAR too long and just blatantly served to show loads of Beat's artwork. But it's still a bloody good film. The ending is brilliant and very, very moving.

Huw Lines
manipulator of the Virus
(8/24/02 5:27:53 am)
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Re: Yep
What did you guys think of Brother?

Kitano
manipulator of the Virus
(8/24/02 9:41:00 am)
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Re: Yep
Brother is not his best movie.
The american cast was bad, and one of the worst acting I've ever seen is when the hotel boy says:
"Damn. No tip this time!"

The rest of the movie is lazy, not slow this time, but lazy.
There are no real personal issues in the movie, so it's an empty one. It's a Beat Takeshi style movie in technical terms, and you can easily regognize them, but he has already shown us his ability, and we already know he can do this with his hands tied and even blindfolded.
I woud guess that this production started more with Jeremy Thomas' (producer) idea. Beat Takeshi demonstrates the little he knows about American culture, so the film ends up being a little naive.

The interesting point in the movie for me is precisely the culture clash, which could be better depicted, of course.
I got the UK DVD, and the best feature in it was the documentary on Beat Takeshi; "Scenes at the Sea".

Anyway, I still watch repeatedly the scene when the music "Raging Men" plays! Joe Hisaishi rules!!

Conclusion, it's an 'impure' movie. Not totally Takeshi's movie.

Well, I like most of Hana-Bi, and, yes I thought at the beginning that he was showing-off a little with the paintings...
And those violent scenes of beating and killing everyone that pisses the guy off were a little unnecessary, in my opinion.
I don't identify with that character, Nishi.
I don't think that, in order to achieve our goals, or to assume our responsibilities, we have to screw everyone else around, regardless of how noble is the cause. Maybe Nishi was tired of living in this society, the same that caused his friend and family to meet misfortune, so he revolted.

It helps if you think of the movie as being auto-biographic.

Edited by: Kitano at: 8/24/02 9:52:26 am
Kitano
manipulator of the Virus
(8/24/02 10:03:55 am)
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Re: Yep
I'm waiting for his next movie, "Dolls", it looks like a more tender story. Hopefully not so cynical this time.


Info on "Chicken Heart", from Office Kitano, anyone?

Kiriyama06
manipulator of the Virus
(8/24/02 5:28:55 pm)
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Re: Yep
I thought Brother was ok not his best work but I found the whole Yakuza meets LA street gang plot kinda cool and I gotta agree that the Scenes by the sea doco is worth getting the DVD for alone. I'm kinda pissed tho that I can't seem to get a copy of Kids Return anywhere!

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The Binman
manipulator of the Virus
(8/25/02 4:28:37 am)
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Re: Yep
I've seen Kids Return available on Amazon.com.

I think... or it might have been Scenes By The Sea.

But i still want a damn copy of "Getting Any?". HAVE YOU SEEN BEAT'S HAIRCUT IN IT!?!?! HAHAHAHAHAH!

Hisaishi's music is so damn great. Even though the music to Boiling Point sound like tubular bells played sliiiiightly differently, his score for Hana-Bi is absolutely amazing.

Edited by: The Binman at: 8/25/02 4:35:04 am
Kitano Clone
shambler
(8/25/02 5:11:02 am)
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Music in Boiling Point
The only music I heard in Boiling Point was the one in the karaoke bar scene:lol

Kiriyama06
manipulator of the Virus
(8/25/02 7:14:37 am)
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Re: Music in Boiling Point
yeh I think he's referring to the Tokyo Bullet DVD where they use the Sonatine music on the menu screen! :lol
I did think Tubular Bells when I 1st heard it too

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The Binman
manipulator of the Virus
(8/25/02 11:06:07 am)
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Re: Music in Boiling Point
Dats da one Kiriyama.

But that karaoke scene is great....heh heh heh...

somrux
manipulator of the Virus
(8/25/02 4:03:37 pm)
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Re: Yep
No way, Brother kicked ass!!!!! I personally thought that it blew hana-bi away... Yes, the American cast could have been better, agreed. The "Damn... no tip this time" line sucked nutz too. But I really liked the idea of a team-up effort between the US and Japan on this one.

As for being an impure movie (i.e. not all Beat Takeshi's doing), I wholeheartedly disagree, friend and fellow-poster Takeshi. But hey, that's what opinions are for, right?

-somrux.

The Binman
manipulator of the Virus
(8/25/02 4:27:12 pm)
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Re: Yep
Huzza! My sister just let me borrow Brother off her because of my GCSE results. Nice one!! And it's got the documentary that I saw on channel 4. Double huzza!

somrux
manipulator of the Virus
(8/25/02 5:29:44 pm)
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Re: Yep
Right, binman? I agree. I watched it, and then watched it 2 more times in the next 4 days, I think. It was a nice change from the track record that hana-bi left, IMHO.

-somrux.

uchujin
citizen of the Loopworld
(8/25/02 6:32:07 pm)
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Re: Yep
Kids Return is out on vid in the UK, but if ya looking for a dvd its either America or Korea (the Japanese one doesnt have english subs) The Korean one is the nicest btw..

Y'know what I loved about brother? Susumu Terajima! His scenes were terrific... and that scene just after his exit.. wow.... He is just so damn cool in everything.

somrux
manipulator of the Virus
(8/25/02 7:00:16 pm)
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Re: Yep
Ditto on the Susumu Terajima thang... he IS a kickarse actor, man.

So, what else has he been in? Does he just do character acting only?

-somrux.

uchujin
citizen of the Loopworld
(8/25/02 7:26:26 pm)
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Re: Yep
He's been in most of Kitano's films so far.. Loved his character in Sonatine!! He did a great job in Afterlife (aka wonderful life ... anyone who hasn't seen this, put it right immediately!!) He was the unfortunate Suzuki in Koroshiya Ichi (the one hanging from the hooks while being jabbed in the face, the tempura'd alive :) )

Can't believe i still havent seen these films, but he was in Sharkskin man and peach hip girl, Dead or alive, Gohatto and Distance.. plus many more I expect.. I just know he's gonna be cool in all of them..

Kiriyama06
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(8/25/02 9:15:53 pm)
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Re: Yep
thanks for the info on Kids Return but I already looked into it and the VHS copies are out of stock in the suppliers warehouse (still could be worse, could be deleted!) might look into that dvd tho

visit my Japanese movie site last upd8ed 21/08/02

The Binman
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(8/27/02 4:21:01 pm)
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Re: Yep
Right, I just finished watching Brother.
It's damn good. But not quite as good as Hana-Bi. The "damn, no tip" line is bloody cringe worthy but it's a pretty dang great film. Nice to see some of Beat's chums returning from his other films and Omar Epps was good too.
Hmm, next up Kikujiro I think.

Kitano Clone
shambler
(8/28/02 9:27:45 am)
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Susumu Terajima
got tortured in "Koroshiya Ichi".

Huw Lines
manipulator of the Virus
(8/28/02 9:44:05 am)
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Re: Susumu Terajima
I don't think it was him, but the guy who played the 'death' figure in Kairo looked a little bit like Terajima (at least the eyes reminded me of him).

p/s Can anyone imagine Beat T. in one of the Ring films? As Ryuji, perhaps? The thought just came to me, and I can't quite envision it;)

Kitano
manipulator of the Virus
(8/29/02 10:31:02 am)
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Re:Beat Ryuji Kitano
He would probably shoot himself in the head when Sadako comes for him.
The man looking calmly at the TV screen with his dark glasses, aware of his impending destiny, the Hana-bi ending music playing, loading his gun with 2 bullets, and when finally Sadako stands before him...

-Could you give me just a moment...?

-...

-Just one moment.

-...

-Chotto, kusoyarrro!!!

-... ... ...

(Goes to bathroom)

BANG!!!.................................BANG!!!


(Sadako goes to the bathroom, looks at the body, and sticks her EYE nearly out of socket, like in the original scene)

The Binman
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(8/29/02 12:38:17 pm)
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Re: Re:Beat Ryuji Kitano
Beat would just stick some chopsticks in Sadako's eye. Or smash her in the head with a bottle. Either way, I doubt he'd say much as he did it. Cos he's dat cool...

simon
citizen of the Loopworld
(8/30/02 1:57:28 am)
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beat
And like all cool men, he's not afraid of making mistakes. Johnny Mnemonic, anyone? Henry Rollins and Beat - Yay! Rest of movie - sucked sh8t out of dead ducks.

S

The Binman
manipulator of the Virus
(8/30/02 3:28:10 am)
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Re: beat
Eugh...that damn film. He didn't even put his full name in the credits, thank God.

simon
citizen of the Loopworld
(8/30/02 6:55:40 am)
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Beat
Would you? No, me neither.

Did you know that, just after releasing Johnny Mnemonic, Keanu ("Duh!") Reeves gave an extremely long interview to Vanity Fair. Guess how times he mentioned his brand spanking new film, Johnny Mn... That's right, precisely zero. Well, if you were him, would't you want to admit being filmed sh*gging your grandma rather than being filmed in Jihnny Mnonmiminemnein? Me too.

S