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medicalstudent
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(10/26/02 2:05:09 pm)
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the death sequences and Katie/Becca....
OK, so if Becca witnessed Katie's death, why didnt she die too? If samara came out of the TV, isnt that enough to kill anybody? Or could someone look into her eyes and not be scared to death if they have never seen the videotape before?

Does Samara HAVE to come out of the TV to kill people, or does she just have to show some scary images from the TV to scare them to death?

In the Katie death sequence, it never shows her coming out of the TV, it just shows the TV on with a real quick flash sequence of some of the scenes from the video, especially the ring itself.

With Rachel's boyfriend's death sequence, he is laying on the floor when Samara looks at him. Wouldnt he die right there on the spot? Did Samara put him in the chair or did he get up and go to the chair himself?

Same thing with Katie in the closet... i thought she would have died right there on the spot while looking into the TV.


Gijinka Lugia
out from the well
(10/26/02 2:12:35 pm)
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Re: the death sequences and Katie/Becca....
OK, so if Becca witnessed Katie's death, why didnt she die too? If samara came out of the TV, isnt that enough to kill anybody? Or could someone look into her eyes and not be scared to death if they have never seen the videotape before?

You could say the same thing for Masami. Apparently, Masami SAW Sadako killing Tomoko, which drove her insane. More than likely Becca saw the same thing. She probably heard Katie's scream, came running, and saw Samara.

With Rachel's boyfriend's death sequence, he is laying on the floor when Samara looks at him. Wouldnt he die right there on the spot? Did Samara put him in the chair or did he get up and go to the chair himself?

Same thing with Katie in the closet... i thought she would have died right there on the spot while looking into the TV.


As for this, well, maybe Samara's just a neat freak.

Mind you, Tomoko's corpse was also found in a closet.

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Capsaicin79  
further down the Spiral
(10/26/02 2:18:43 pm)
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Re: the death sequences and Katie/Becca....
my theory about noah is that when he was sitting in the chair watching samara walk toward the TV (before coming out) he was already dead.

what we see is perhaps something that goes on in his mind, rather than an actual tangible event.. only problem with this theory is that it doesn't explain katie's corpse moving to the closet at all :P

best explaination i've heard is that when you die, you have the urge to crawl into something, be it a chair or a closet.

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Combat Wombat
Sadako slave
(10/26/02 2:29:42 pm)
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Re: the death sequences and Katie/Becca....
I like that theory-- it really lends to the supernatural/psychological fear aspect of the curse. If it was just going on in his head, though, none of the stuff that he knocked down (shelves, etc.) would have been knocked down when Rachel came to check. Same for the bloody handprints... I am just sticking to the idea that "some things are best left unexplained," but the thought that you get the urge to crawl into something is interesting... good thing he didn't choose the elevator right outside his apartment, eh? I wish that they would have given a flashback to Mai, showing what position she found Ryuji in in the original.


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mellybeanTC
Sadako slave
(10/26/02 5:17:07 pm)
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Re: the death sequences and Katie/Becca....
OK, so if Becca witnessed Katie's death, why didnt she die too? If samara came out of the TV, isnt that enough to kill anybody? Or could someone look into her eyes and not be scared to death if they have never seen the videotape before?

in a horror movie it's always good to have at least one live witness, someone so affected by the horror that they creep out other people, so they have a reason to take the threat more seriously.

D -->>D oes Samara HAVE to come out of the TV to kill people, or does she just have to show some scary images from the TV to scare them to death?

In the Katie death sequence, it never shows her coming out of the TV, it just shows the TV on with a real quick flash sequence of some of the scenes from the video, especially the ring itself.

it's never truly clear how Samara kills her victims. Rachel's experience shows that with each day, the person is affected more and more. Samara may not need to come completely out of the TV at all .. she might just need to plant the idea that she comes out of the TV into her victim's heads, causing them to react as if she's solid and in front of them. Noah could be psychically bombarded by Samara's evil and hallucinate the entire thing, even to the point of dying from what he's seeing in his head (remember her mom had hallucinations.) then again, Samara could be coming out of the TV as an entity of energy ... either way, it's scary enough to stop anyone's heart!!

the bodies being in "comfortable" positions might mean it took them a little while to die, they tried to hide or find comfort. although crawling in a closet makes more sense than sitting straight up in a chair ... i'd want to curl up if i was in pain or fear. i think if Noah had been in the chair but curled up like Katie, it would have been better. but, Rachel's (our) view of the chair is scary ... she's just seeing his hands and the top of his head ... we know what she's going to see because of Katie.

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Toombad
shambler
(10/26/02 8:30:59 pm)
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The Ring
Ok, if you were scared to death wouldnt' ur heart just stop and that would be it? why did the victims have disgusting faces with blood and all? did samara tear their faces apart or something?

Where can i find the original the ring? i can't find it any where

Gijinka Lugia
citizen of the Loopworld
(10/26/02 8:37:39 pm)
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Re: The Ring
Ok, if you were scared to death wouldnt' ur heart just stop and that would be it? why did the victims have disgusting faces with blood and all? did samara tear their faces apart or something?

There is no blood involved. The bodies look rotted and stuff, like you've been soaking in water for.. Oh.. Let's say.. Seven days?

The plot borrows somewhat from Honogurai Mizu no Soko Kara with the water...

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(10/26/02 10:51:48 pm)
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Re: the death sequences and Katie/Becca....
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Kyala
Sadako slave
(10/27/02 1:31:26 am)
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Re:the death sequences and Katie/Becca...
Ok, I'm gonna bet she doesn't have to come out of the T.V., since two of the kids in the beginning of the movie died in a car (which had to have been going since they crashed, but it was noted in med. examination cause of death before that).

Second, with Becca, take a look at the face of the older Samara that comes out of the T.V. at Noah in the end ... same? I think so, but it's a short glimpse, so I may be wrong. Trying to dig up something on this.

On the whole corpse moving thing ... well, to me there are a million reasons why it happened, none of them make a bit of sense, but "hey, it's possible" comes to mind.

Gijinka Lugia
citizen of the Loopworld
(10/27/02 6:50:51 am)
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Re: Re:the death sequences and Katie/Becca...
Ok, I'm gonna bet she doesn't have to come out of the T.V., since two of the kids in the beginning of the movie died in a car (which had to have been going since they crashed, but it was noted in med. examination cause of death before that).

This is never really explained, so I suppose that Samara also utilizes reflective surfaces to kill just like her lovely Japanese counterpart.

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Kitano
the chosen infected
(10/27/02 7:42:04 am)
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Re: Re:the death sequences and Katie/Becca...
In the novel, Tomoko's corpse was like grabbing her own head, seemingly trying to rip it off.
The other kid, Iwata, was seen by a taxi driver grabbing his helmet also trying to pull it off.
The other two died in a parked car when they where about to do it. They were both facing the car windows, left and right, like if as they were trying to escape, facing opposite from each other.

Tomoko had no reflective surface nearby, and the reflective surface theory is never brought up in the novel, as I recall.:l

HotShot2387
Sadako slave
(11/21/02 11:07:43 pm)
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becca/katie
wait who said becca saw samura? Couldn't she have been driven crazy by the corpse?

InfluxDatum 
manipulator of the Virus
(11/22/02 12:32:43 am)
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Re: becca/katie
the parents did not go crazy, only becca did. Neither did Aidan who was close to Katie. I think that there was more.

The only reason for Katie and Becca to head downstairs was the phone. I think Becca went back up to the room. She then sees Samara and the whole death scene with Katie. Samara spares her because she never watched the tape.

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HotShot2387
Sadako slave
(11/22/02 12:49:21 am)
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OK
OK, btw i have no memory is your picture of katie or rachel's actress

Emmerdale001
Sadako slave
(11/22/02 12:50:00 am)
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Becca
I dunno about you guys, but I still stick to the hunch that Becca was either behind the door Katie opened right before she died or was hiding under the bed when Katie came in. Katie's closet looks big enough to hide in as well. The doors slide open, but I think that's where Katie ended up dead. Just review the movie, and you'll see that the door Katie opened never opened all the way...

InfluxDatum 
manipulator of the Virus
(11/22/02 12:52:28 am)
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Re: Becca
she is the gorgeous rachel. katie - not my cup o' tea.

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HotShot2387
Sadako slave
(11/22/02 12:57:57 am)
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Yeah
Well, I don't know. I'm 15, so I guess its an age thing

InfluxDatum 
manipulator of the Virus
(11/22/02 1:06:40 am)
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Re: Yeah
she is old enough to be your mom

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HotShot2387
further down the Spiral
(11/22/02 1:13:18 am)
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?
Well duh if she can act as aiden's mom and noah's ex-wife. I really do hope youre not talking about katie; if so you got some serious perception problems ;)

Ghetto Ring
manipulator of the Virus
(11/22/02 10:20:37 am)
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Let me just say that she is one hot momma!



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O Deka K
citizen of the Loopworld
(11/22/02 10:42:37 am)
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Re: Becca's POV
Here's what I think happened, from Becca's point of view.

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As Katie finishes her phone call with her mom, Becca heads back upstairs to Katie's room. As she enters, she sees Katie's sketchbook on the desk. Since Katie's still downstairs, she starts leafing through it. She sees the images of magazines with their faces scratched out, and the pictures that Katie drew, and she's confused and slightly disturbed by them. Suddenly, the TV comes on by itself. It shows static.

BECCA: Very funny Katie...

She tries to turn off the TV, but it comes back on seconds later.

BECCA: How did you-

Just then, the static changes to a picture of the well. An ear-piercing whine fills the room. From behind her, she hears wet footsteps behind the door. Water comes in from under the door. She hears Katie call out from downstairs.

KATIE (from downstairs): Becca, can you hear me?

Sufficiently spooked, Becca runs to the closet to hide. She gets into the closet just as she hears the doorknob turning. She curls up on the floor, shivering in fear. She hears the door close. Still shivering, she slowly slides open the closet door, until she catches a glimpse of SAMARA. Samara turns her head, face covered in hair, and looks directly at Becca. Crying in fear, she slams the door closed again.

Unable to see, or even to think, Becca listens. She vaguely hears Katie run up the stairs. Inside the room, she hears the wet footsteps walk across the room.

BECCA (whispering to herself): No Katie, don't come up here...

After what seems like forever, she hears the bedroom door open again. She hears Katie scream, and then the scream dies into a gurgling sound. Moments later, the closet door opens, and Becca screams louder than she's ever screamed before....
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Notes:
- The TV in Katie's room turns on after Katie unplugs the TV downstairs.
- Samara comes out of the TV downstairs, and then goes upstairs. Katie's catches a glimpse of her distorted reflection in the TV screen as she leaves. Maybe Samara does this to scare Katie before killing her.
- Becca doesn't hear Katie's first few lines clearly (or maybe even at all), because she's already upstairs, and she's leafing through the sketchbook.
- When Becca hides in the closet, she curls up in the same position that Katie's body is later found.

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Edited by: O Deka K at: 11/22/02 2:36:24 pm
CgChick09 
manipulator of the Virus
(11/22/02 2:32:54 pm)
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Re: Becca's POV
Wow, O deka K! Thats a good pov and would be perfect in the story line of what really happened with katie and becca. It would be so cool if they did a flashback kinda at the beginning of the sequal with all that stuff you just said. I think it would be tough for Becca to act it out though.

DaMan791
citizen of the Loopworld
(11/22/02 5:57:24 pm)
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Re: Becca's POV
Yeah Deka that's a great explanation of what happend. And i think that Becca is more then capable of acting out a sceen like that :D

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InfluxDatum 
manipulator of the Virus
(11/22/02 9:25:41 pm)
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Re: Becca's POV
"I dunno about you guys, but I still stick to the hunch that Becca was either behind the door Katie opened right before she died or was hiding under the bed when Katie came in. Katie's closet looks big enough to hide in as well. The doors slide open, but I think that's where Katie ended up dead. Just review the movie, and you'll see that the door Katie opened never opened all the way..."

I agree with your alternatives although my tendency would be to hide under the bed or between the bed and the closest wall farthest away from the door. I would not choose the closet as a hiding place. Underneath the bed is probably the easiest and fatest way to hide, specially if she was watching TV in the same position she assumed at the start of the movie.
Becca might or might not have seen Katie's death. I do believe that she saw enough and heard everything. Either way, she would certainly endup traumatized just because of Samara's aparition and Katie's eventual death.
Katie did open the door full swing. This happened while her face was starting to transform to that ugly water rotted face in the line of sight with Samara.

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Emmerdale001
further down the Spiral
(11/22/02 11:08:23 pm)
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I stand corrected. I reviewed Katie's death scene. I'll correct myself and say that Becca was, in fact, not hiding behind the door that Katie opened before death.

This does still leave many possibilities behind though. She could have been under the bed, behind the bed as Datum suggested, or even in the closet where Katie would eventually end up.

I do tend to find the last very appealing because it would leave open the door to the possibility that Becca saw Katie entering the closet, not to say that the other possibilities listed aren't as valid.

An interesting question would thus follow: Was Katie dead when she entered the closet or was she in the process of dying? (Instant death vs. slow death) If she died instantly, how did Samara put her in there? Physical means? Telekinetic means? Possession? If slow death happened, I would assume she went in there in a futile attempt to escape Samara's wrath, no?

Of course, this possibility, hiding in the closet, would put her through the most terror--poor Becca; I torture her so--because she would be open to witness so much more sights than what the other possibilities would allow. This would all but ensure Becca's mental collapse...

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shambler
(12/15/02 11:25:38 am)
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truth
I've done a @#%$ load of work, and it comes to this: Katie screamed, and Becca ran up to see what was wrong. Becca then saw Samara right before she went into the TV. Samara was a virus: even a glimpse of her can get you infected. She also saw Katie's body, so that drove her insane. If you all remember, Becca said 'In four days you will find out.' The reason she could tell that Rachael had watched the tape, is because a shard of Samara lodged itself inside her and she can tell.

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shambler
(12/15/02 11:33:04 am)
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truth contn.
So maybe, Becca stuck Katie in the closet and went back downstairs or something. She said she was going to the bathroom I think...didn't she? I cant remember, but all I know is that Becca wasnt in the room when it happenened. She came in afterwards and got a small fleeting glimpse of Samara going back inside the television. And I think the well was what was on the TV screen.

Doctor Scott
further down the Spiral
(12/15/02 5:19:58 pm)
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Becca & Katie
I think, because Becca is now afraid of TV's, that SHE saw Samara come out of the TV. But katie didn't see that part because she was still downstairs. I think that when Katie entered her room, Samara was already completely out of the TV......Maybe Katie mistook Samara for Becca at first? (too many characters in this movie with long brown hair for it to be a coincidence - they all look like Alanis Morissette to me, and that is the scariest part of all ;)