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eski
shambler
(11/3/02 7:06:57 pm)
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just a bit confused
okay, so Samara grew up of the farm with the horses and everything. But the well that she was killed at was underneath the cabin. The cabin and the farm werent very near each other were they? did Samaras mother kill her while they were on some vacation or what? Maybe i wasnt paying enough attention when i watched the movie and the answers obvious, but can someone fill me in?

Samarasmybiach
shambler
(11/3/02 7:17:52 pm)
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Yeah, you weren't paying attention...
The well wasn't on the island, it was on the mainland. It wasn't explained, but it appears that the land belonged to Morgans, so it may have been a retreat or somewhere they vacationed. It appears that the land was sold, and a cabin built on top of the well, presumably to hide it.

SadakoIsEve
everyone will suffer
(11/3/02 7:41:07 pm)
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Re: Yeah, you weren't paying attention
Hide the evidence. Bury the evil. Move on and forget the pain

Mike Graziano 
Sadako slave
(11/7/02 10:13:54 am)
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Re: Yeah, you weren't paying attention
Why go to the trouble of building a cabin over the well to conceal it? Why not destroy the outer rocks, throw them in the well, and fill it in with dirt? I mean, there was even space under the cabin to stand. They didn't flatten out the well's outer rim and build a cabin. They built the cabin above the well. Why?

What would have been cool, and better in my opinion, was if the well's outer rim was destroyed, and the area flattened out, and then the cabin was built over the hole. How freaky would it have been if Noah smashed through the floorboards, only to stare down into the gaping hole of the *former* well.


Regards,


-Mike-

ps: Man, this flick scared the beejesus outta me!! And someone, for the love of God, change the forum logo, and make that eye stop staring at me! I scroll down after the page loads up with my gaze averted. Hahaha! I'm a wuss. :-(

pargo the rookie
Sadako slave
(11/7/02 11:14:06 am)
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Cabin on Well
Maybe the Morgans owned the cabins, too? They weren't making any money off of horse breeding anymore. Perhaps Samara kept them from destroying the well...

SadakoIsEve
the chosen infected
(11/7/02 11:56:58 am)
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Re: Cabin on Well
The well can't be destroyed... It's it's a well for pete's sake

mikejonas
moderator
(11/7/02 12:29:05 pm)
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Re: Yeah, you weren't paying attention
I think you can chalk this one up to keeping the remake faithful to the original (that, and dirt tumbling down an opening doesn't quite look like a ring). In that case, the well was also in a crawlspace beneath the resort cabin.

The two do differ in some ways: Noah and Rachel enter the crawlspace from above after being guided there by those marbles or whatever they were; Ryuji and Reiko enter the space from the side, based on their hunches and probably some of Ryuji's sixth sense. Rachel is knocked into the well by the TV, while in the original, Ryuji and then Reiko climb into the well to pull water out of of it, hoping that it would help them find the body. The crucial "psychic flashbacks" also happen at different points--Rachel when she appears to be grabbed by Samara, and Reiko when she and Ryuji touch the cover sealing the well.

SadakoIsEve
the chosen infected
(11/7/02 12:34:27 pm)
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Re: Re: Yeah, you weren't paying attention
I think flashback at touching well cover sounds a lot more reasonable

pargo the rookie
Sadako slave
(11/7/02 2:02:23 pm)
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cabin on well
<<The well can't be destroyed... It's it's a well for pete's sake >>

Filled in, covered over, knocking down the wall part that extends above ground...anything other than leaving it so intact...

inteferon
further down the Spiral
(11/7/02 5:15:46 pm)
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Re: Well question
Quote: Why go to the trouble of building a cabin over the well to conceal it?

I'm guessing (and cobbling from others ideas) that the Morgans originally owned the land with the well. (The presence of the horses on the ridge suggests that). We know that Anna was torn about killing Samara. It could be that in Anna's conflicted mind she saw the well not only as a place of concealment of the body, but also as a memorial to the child she (once) loved. Whereas a rational person may not have been against destroying the well to conceal the crime, I suspect that the sentimental/deranged side of Anna caused conditions to be imposed on the sale of the land: that the new owner would not disturb this monument of special and secret significance.

ApacheRose
Sadako slave
(11/7/02 5:38:51 pm)
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Re: Well question
I tend to favor the theory that the Morgans owned the land, and built the cabins (whether he still owned it at the time the movie was set, I don't know). I don't believe that building the cabin over the well was any kind of memorial, or that it could have been filled in/ destroyed in anyway.

Samara had at least partial control over what her parents decided to do with that well.

-Diana

"In search of a better quote"

pargo the rookie
Sadako slave
(11/8/02 12:09:34 pm)
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well question
<Samara had at least partial control over what her parents decided to do with that well>

That's what I'm talkin' about... whoever built the cabin probably had some guidance from beyond (or below)

SadakoIsEve
the chosen infected
(11/8/02 12:53:00 pm)
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Re: well question
Beyond is below

JustaPinoy
Sadako slave
(11/8/02 1:08:05 pm)
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Re: well question
Hmm..? Beyond isn't the same thing as below...

SadakoIsEve
the chosen infected
(11/8/02 1:39:41 pm)
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Re: Re: well question
Depends which other side

Kitano
the chosen infected
(11/8/02 1:45:39 pm)
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beyond the below
Beyond being below is not upon. Upon being beyond is not below. Or, Beyond being upon and below is below and upon.
In the end, Beyond is always beyond, no matter what's below.

Makes one think doesn't it?:lol

DaMan791
out from the well
(11/8/02 2:25:25 pm)
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Re: beyond the below
Another thing i'm confused about is Katie's death.. Is she in her room when she dies or downstairs? And also how could Becca see Samara cause wasn't she upstairs when Katie was killed or vice versa? I wasn't paying much attention during this part..If someone could clarify this it would be appreciated

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She never sleeps..
7 days..

OMG Becca is soooo Hot! I WANT HER!!!!

Kitano
the chosen infected
(11/8/02 2:29:11 pm)
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Re: beyond the below
That suggests she was dying as she went into the closet, I guess. Or she tried to run away half dead, when Samara catched her in the closet, to finish her.
(Is this the same...?:b )
Or because finding her corpse in the closet results in a very shocking situation, thus sacrificing continuity?

Edited by: Kitano at: 11/8/02 2:36:52 pm
ApacheRose
Sadako slave
(11/8/02 3:05:41 pm)
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Re: beyond the below
Katie's body is found in her bedroom closet.

We don't know where becca is during this whole thing because she disappears when Katie is tending to the TV turning off and on. I am assuming she is upstairs, because when katie gets freaked out she runs upstairs looking for Becca...and I think when Katie sees the water on the floor she calls out to becca. So Katie, at least, thinks Becca is upstairs.

Also, Becca didn't see the video tape, but when we visit her in the mental hospital, it is clear that she has been "touched" by Samara. This lends itself to the idea that Becca was upstairs and had some sort of face-to-face with Samara.

-Diana

"In search of a better quote"

DaMan791
out from the well
(11/8/02 3:08:13 pm)
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Re: beyond the below
Thanks for clearing that up :D

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She never sleeps..
7 days..

OMG Becca is soooo Hot! I WANT HER!!!!

JyPsy
citizen of the Loopworld
(11/8/02 3:27:30 pm)
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Re: beyond the below
also the room is upstairs, they come downstairs, its 95% identical to the house in the original ringu. (finally got to see it)
and she calls out to becca on her way upstairs. and there is no answer. presumably she is scared shiteless in a corner of the room.

~JyPsy
The great phoob of the universe

SadakoIsEve
the chosen infected
(11/8/02 4:55:20 pm)
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Re: Re: beyond the below
Exactly

punisher
Sadako slave
(11/9/02 11:43:35 am)
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Re: beyond the below
in the original, the "friend" (i can't remember her name) had to use the bathroom. i believe the remake is the same and i think we can assume that becca was the first to find her friend in the closet. eventhough, the mother says that she found her. the friend had to go crazy from something and since sadako/samara kill almost instantly, i doubt that the friend saw samara.

to answer your question...i think that becca was downstairs in the bathroom and katie went upstairs to her room.....becca found her shortly thereafter in the closet.