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wendi46121
shambler
(11/2/02 8:28:10 am)
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here's a valid question i suppose...
umm i guess these are spoilers as well :D

Ok.. now in the american version of the tape... we see anna jumping off the cliff and commiting suicide, right? but the tape is supposed to be visions that samara herself seen, you know, the tree.. the horses... so if her mother commited suiced after the throwing her in the well thing.. howd she see that??

now, this is just what i thought :| that samara really did climb out of the well (like she does at the end of the video...) and maybe made her mom do that?? I dont know.. what do you think??

Im sorry if this was posted before but there are sooooo many topics to go through!!

Also, I know y'all noticed how when Aiden was watching the video.. he is actually seeing the end where she starts crawling out of the well.. the first time he sees the video.. right before Rachel turns it off... why do you think he is seeing this part.. and no one else sees it until they die :D ??? do you think if rachel wouldnt have found him, she wouldve crawled out of the television and killed him right then???

SadakoIsEve
everyone will suffer
(11/2/02 8:41:11 am)
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Re: here's a valid question i suppose...
Anna sucided from guilt from killing her own daughter or at least over fifty percent of us fans believe that theory. Oh and I doubt Samara would have killed her new little buddy Aiden so soon

Felix Underhill
further down the Spiral
(11/2/02 8:48:56 am)
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Re: here's a valid question i suppose...
After Rachel saw Aiden watching the video, the image went to static. She didn't manually stop the video from continuing, but perhaps Samara didn't feel like showing more of herself at that point and ceased broadcasting. ;)

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SadakoIsEve
everyone will suffer
(11/2/02 9:00:25 am)
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Re: Re: here's a valid question i suppose...
We will continue our reguarly sceduled broadcase at another time beeeeepppp

Lord Alakinsky
Sadako slave
(11/2/02 9:29:13 am)
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Re: here's a valid question i suppose...
To the first question, I would have to say that the movie tells us that Anna's "visions" didn't stop after Samara died, so Samara was still influencing her in a way so she probably was there the moment Anna let herself go of the cliff.

Now, here's something to add to your observation of Aidan's viewing of the tape. In the end, we see Samara coming out of the Well when Aidan watches the [b]copy[/b] that Rachel made. But, when making a copy of the copy that they're going to show to someone else, there's no Samara coming out of the Well at the end. Why the difference?

Some people have said that when you view the tape at night you see Samara coming out of the Well. I disagree, because the fist time Rachel viewed the tape it was after sunset, i.e. dark. I grew up in Tacoma, WA and in September in the Cascade Mountains (where I assume Shadow Mountain Inn was. It looked more like the Cascades than the Olympics) it gets dark fast after the sun goes down. And when Rachel viewed the tape, when it was dark, no Samara. The only reasons I can think of for the difference is because of Samara's connection with Aidan or (and this is kind of a stretch here) because the video was a copy, Samara is being spread around, or the knowledge of her is being spread. As a single copy of the tape is viewed by more people, Samara reveals more of herself. I know, it's not very good, but we'll see.

InfluxDatum
further down the Spiral
(11/2/02 9:29:33 am)
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Re: Re: here's a valid question i suppose...
whole purpose of the video is to give samara the right to kill you. you see into her life, you have something of hers. she wants something of you.

my theory of why anna killed herself:

1. remorse from killing samara. anna kept repeating 'all i ever wanted was you'. Past tense.
2. guilt and remorse for all samara wrong doings. feeling of being resposible of having given birth to such an evil being.
3. samara might have shown anna the future and her plan to kill more people and cause more destruction.

my belief is that anna and mr. morgan were regular honest and honorable people who given the situation, snapped out and committed suicide.

wendi46121
shambler
(11/2/02 9:46:20 am)
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oooooo
maybe the tape cut itself off and went fuzzy because rachel walked in the room?? maybe she really wanted to show herself to Aiden.

SadakoIsEve
everyone will suffer
(11/2/02 9:59:28 am)
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Re: Re: Re: here's a valid question i suppose...
Definitely 1. And yes the Morgans were honest hard working human beings.

Lord Alakinsky
Sadako slave
(11/2/02 11:00:30 am)
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Re: Re: Re: here's a valid question i suppose...
On more speculation, I believe Anna killed herself because she made a deal with the devil to have Samara. As Samara got older and Anna realized the enormous mistake she made, she killed Samara in an attempt to stop the evil. However, when Anna's visions didn't stop after Samara died she knew that Samara could not be stopped and despaired that she had consented to such a deal to bring such evil into the world. Anna couldn't bear the thought of it and killed herself.

hm2k
further down the Spiral
(11/2/02 12:23:24 pm)
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Re: Re: Re: here's a valid question i suppose...
>>On more speculation, I believe Anna killed herself because she made a deal with the devil to have Samara.<<

In a movie like Rosemary's Baby or The Omen, I can understand someone making that connection. But in The Ring, it's not even vaguely implied. Simply saying she's the devil's child would show a lack of imagination on the screenwriter's part. It's been many times done before.

It makes the movie much scarier (to me, at least) for Samara to be an ordinary little girl doing these horrible things to other people.

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wendi46121
Sadako slave
(11/2/02 3:44:35 pm)
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:)
i agree that it makes it scarier to believe she is just a normal girl with like insomnia... to cop out and say she is the devils spawn when there really isnt anything POINTING to that from what i seen isnt right :|

InfluxDatum
further down the Spiral
(11/2/02 4:36:06 pm)
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Re: erm
we know from the film that she is not normal. We don't know is her origin. it was not disclosed. we do know is that she has some crazy supernatural powers which she uses to torment, haunt, and kill her victims. it is likely that she resulted from a demonic pact, but i agree, that's an assumption beyond what's offered in the film

pagnstix 
further down the Spiral
(11/2/02 4:38:36 pm)
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Re: erm
in my opinion samara's killed Anna. I don't think she committed suicide...

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DocMartin01 
Sadako slave
(11/2/02 4:44:54 pm)
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Rachel's Point of View
The video tape is being seen in Rachel's point of view. So the point would be, you see Samara coming up from the well as the time gets closer to your death. We did not see the tape from the eyes of Aiden.

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Capsaicin79  
further down the Spiral
(11/2/02 4:56:45 pm)
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Re: Rachel's Point of View
i tend to agree with the line of thought doc martin is suggesting.

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SadakoIsEve
everyone will suffer
(11/2/02 6:10:51 pm)
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Re: Re: Rachel's Point of View
No reason to argue

TaliaK
shambler
(11/2/02 10:39:37 pm)
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My take on the suicide
My take on Anna's suicide was this:

When Rachel was researching the deaths of the horses she read some article that said that the deaths only stopped once Anna committed suicide. I figure, since Anna killed Samara and Anna loved the horses so much...(and since Samara didn't like them because they kept her up at night when she was having to live in the barn)

Samara (after she was in the well) tortured the horses with images, making them go crazy and go drown themselves, in order to punish her mother for throwing her in the well. Once her mother killed herself, the horses stopped dying.