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bethyjean
shambler
(10/30/02 3:01:38 pm)
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about samara and anna....
okay just one thing has been bugging me lately: Anna told the doctor that Samara was giving her visions...so? Granted they were rather disturbing, but they were just visions. It wasn't like Samara was beating Anna up every day or anything...yes she made the horses go mad...is that it? She made Anna go mad and that's why Anna felt like she had to kill her?

SadakoIsEve
citizen of the Loopworld
(10/30/02 3:03:54 pm)
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Re: about samara and anna....
Anna loves her daughter very much and definitly wanted her and it is my opnion that Richard ordered Anna to kill Samara and thus the dutiful wife submitted to her husband's request.

bethyjean
shambler
(10/30/02 3:05:14 pm)
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oh yeah
wait, something else: the doctor said that the Morgans told her Samara was afopted, but there was a certificate of live birth. So she was their child, or Anna's at least...so if she had so much trouble having a child then how did she wind up with Samara, and why did she pop up evil like she was??

*frustration!*

mikejonas
manipulator of the Virus
(10/30/02 3:05:37 pm)
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Visions
if they were visions akin to what Rachel was experiencing (i.e. the electrode nightmare), or what we see on the tape, and she was bombarded with those on a regular basis or perhaps even constantly, it's plausible she could go mad.

Autumn Eyes
Sadako slave
(10/30/02 3:06:05 pm)
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re:
I got the assumption that they were visions of death, destruction, etc..since she was some sort of anti-christ demonic being of some sort...or at least that was the idea that was given from my standpoint. She realized that keeping something so evil alive would not do the world any good, even if she did love her with a passion. She didn't want to kill her but...she didn't want what she saw to happen either. So...she threw her down the well.

Then she comitted suicide...I believe.

ClovoGrlK
shambler
(10/30/02 3:10:59 pm)
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Hmmm ...
Perhaps part of the reason that Anna found the visions to be so disturbing is that she herself had experienced the same thing her daughter had ... the visions, the ability to make the pictures appear on the x-rays ... perhaps that is why Richard said that Anna "wasn't supposed to have a child". Maybe it was a disease that passed from Mother to daughter and Anna didn't want Samara to a) Have to live with that, or b) cause Anna's "disease" to come back to the surface ... because in the second case, Anna most likely had repressed most of her "powers". ... Just a thought :D

bethyjean
shambler
(10/30/02 3:14:41 pm)
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oh yeah again
ooh, ooh wait - okay - first of all, when Rachel is watching the tape of Samara in the hospital, she is talking about Richard Morgan, and she says he doesn't know...doesn't know what? that she's going to die and loose destruction on everyone who experiences her death?

and also, Richard Morgan shouts that his wife was not supposed to have a child? Why? The doctor said they tried to have kids for a long time...he went away with her so she could have Samara, so....oh I guess I am soo confused

SadakoIsEve
citizen of the Loopworld
(10/30/02 3:23:26 pm)
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Re: oh yeah again
Very confuseing I agree. Richard doesn't wanna make up his mind does he? *giggles*

bethyjean
shambler
(10/30/02 3:27:15 pm)
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: )
yeah i guess i just need to hunt down Ringu and watch that...maybe it'll help me a bit

SadakoIsEve
citizen of the Loopworld
(10/30/02 3:30:32 pm)
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Re: :)
Possibly different explanation in Ringu but go for bethyjean

aennil
Sadako slave
(10/30/02 3:40:16 pm)
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maybe
Anna went somewhere and got pregnant after not being able to have one naturally. It look as though she went somewhere asian b/c of the chinese/ japanese writting in her medical file. So, according to the laws of nature she was not supposed to conceive a child, Samara was not supposed to be... period.
After bringing her home they begin to realize this, at least Richard does... he's afraid of her, likes the horses better. Then Anna starts loosing it big time... probable worse visions than Rachel is having because Anna knows it's coming from her own "child"... also, her horses are dying and everything on the island was messed up according to the doctor.... if it were ne, I would have lost it super big time too....
just a thought.

Eliashoi and Ohtis
Sadako slave
(10/30/02 4:22:34 pm)
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Re: maybe
Anna was incapable of carrying a child to term. She went away for a year, and came back with Samara. She gave live birth to Samara, but she told the islanders she was adopted. Why did she lie? It can only be because the method she used to be able to concieve/carry Samara was one that she wanted to keep private. Samara's nature (malevolent, even before her murder), suggests that she was concieved/born through some supernatural bargan. A "deal with the devil" always carries a heavy price, and Samara's nature and power were that price in this case.

As for Anna murdering Samara, I see it as a duty. Samara could compel the horses to break out of their stalls and drown themselves in the sea. What else did she do? We don't know, but we do know that the doctor on the island commented that "things have been better since that girl has been gone." I see Anna as loving Samara, but recognizing that she was both evil and powerful; I see Anna killing Samara, even though she loved her, to prevent her from wreaking more havok. It is akin to being, say, Jeff Dhalmer's mother when he was a child, and knowing (somehow) that he would turn into a serial killer. Wouldn't you be conflicted? Wouldn't you feel it was your duty to protect his future victims by killing him? Samara's murder was Anna's heroic (though ultimately futile) act, and eventually drove her to her own suicide.

-Eli

Kibagami Jubei
Sadako slave
(10/31/02 5:55:03 pm)
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Re: about samara and anna....
Ya know thats one of the best explanations i heard

"I hate those who think so little of their own worth."

-Kibagami Jubei

KuraiSoma 
further down the Spiral
(10/31/02 6:24:56 pm)
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Re: about samara and anna....
Mmm, I'll give you the easiest answer I can.. as before stated; Anna wanted this child more than anything, and tryed to love her to the best of her abilities. BUT, you have to read into this a bit more; mainly the fact that Anna changed from such a happy person into the dark, disturbed woman who killer her own daughter and then took her life. If your memory isn't up to the task, the major change in her took place directly after Samara caused the horses to kill themselves. Before Samara, the horses WERE Anna's life... they were her work, her only source of joy. If Samara had been any other child, Anna might have been able to move on if the horses had met some other unforseen catastrophe; However, she got Samara. After the loss of her horses; she had no life, no livelihood, no reason to exist. In the end, try as she might; she came to hate Samara, and took it as her duty to remove her from the world.

hm2k
further down the Spiral
(10/31/02 6:44:48 pm)
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Re: about samara and anna....
Samara did make Anna see things. Perhaps that drove her temporarily insane, and after she had killed Samara, she regretted it, and thus, killed herself.

Also, who says method of conception was "evil?" It could very well have been some primitive jungle conception drugs that messed with the developing Samara, creating her sadistic tendancies and psychic abilities.

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hm2k

Isoline
shambler
(10/31/02 8:43:49 pm)
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Re: about samara and anna....
"Also, who says method of conception was "evil?" It could very well have been some primitive jungle conception drugs that messed with the developing Samara, creating her sadistic tendancies and psychic abilities."

In my observations, the method was not really "evil" the concoction was a simple cleansing mixture, designed to be brewed as a tea mostl likely. What I conjectured is as she was cleansing herself both physically and metaphysically that her body became "open" to spiritual attack and that something may have entered into her at the moment of conception. Sure it sounds like Rosemary's Baby all over again, but oh well.

SadakoIsEve
manipulator of the Virus
(10/31/02 8:52:16 pm)
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Re: Re: about samara and anna...
Isoline is right. It isn't that concuction was evil. As I see it, concuction was so cleanseing and purifying that baby had little protection to defend hersel with against those forces that try and take over babies. Course I probably have no idea what I am talking about yet in Egyption belief system I know I have some grounding. Perhaps Christian too. Babtize that child or perform the knowerofthings rituals. Put a circle of salt or protection rocks around baby, home, or baby's crib. Please somebody protect this child!

ClovoGrlk
shambler
(11/1/02 1:04:27 am)
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Samara's room
Hmmm ... did anyone find it odd that nothing in Samara's room seemed to be dusty at all? You'd think that in a barn, up near the rafters, for about 15 years ... quite a bit of dust would have accumulated on her stuff ... which most likely suggests Samara's prescence ... also, her room seemed to be in perfect order ... her dolls were all lined up on their shelves (and she had quite a few of them), some weren't even taken out of their boxes ... hmmm ... just some "food for thought" :D

hm2k
further down the Spiral
(11/1/02 1:09:50 am)
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Re: Samara's room
Hmmm ... did anyone find it odd that nothing in Samara's room seemed to be dusty at all? You'd think that in a barn, up near the rafters, for about 15 years ... quite a bit of dust would have accumulated on her stuff ... which most likely suggests Samara's prescence ... also, her room seemed to be in perfect order ... her dolls were all lined up on their shelves (and she had quite a few of them), some weren't even taken out of their boxes ... hmmm ... just some "food for thought" :)

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Well, perhaps, despite the fact that Richard mostly hated Samara, who says he didn't keep everything up there in order? He may do it believing it was what Anna would want him to do.

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hm2k

Felix Underhill
Sadako slave
(11/1/02 1:12:05 am)
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Re: Samara's room
Well, if the film is set in contemporary time, it would have been 22 years (1978-2002). I also noticed that the musical carousel was playing when Rachel and Noah got to the top. It initially sounded like part of the soundtrack, but when Rachel put her finger to the carousel and stopped it, the music also stopped.

D

ClovoGrlk
shambler
(11/1/02 1:16:01 am)
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Re:Re:Samara's room
Yeah ... the carousel thing was kinda creepy ... and I'm sorry that I can't count ... there IS a bit of difference between 15 and 24 years ... :D Personally, as Richard, I wouldn't be able to go up to Samara's room period after everything that happened ... besides, wasn't the barn locked when Noah and Rachel got there? What is the point of the barn being open with no horses to be using it for many years?

mayadevi
Sadako slave
(11/8/02 9:36:36 am)
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Re: Re:Re:Samara's room
Was Samara actually giving Anna the visions of her own volition? Perhaps instead of being evil herself, she was some sort of locus for evil, so that she caused bad things whether she meant to or not.

SadakoIsEve
the chosen infected
(11/8/02 10:55:22 am)
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Samara's room
Could be..