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SPECTRALSKIES
shambler
(11/2/02 8:12:40 pm)
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Why did Noah Die and why didn't she?
What was the significance of her seeing that girl leave the apartment after Noah died and what was the signifance of her finding the copy of the tape under her mattress again?

I thought I was figuring it all out until this stuff happened. Also, what happened at the end? Did they show the tape to other ppl or something?

JyPsy
out from the well
(11/2/02 8:16:42 pm)
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Re: Why did Noah Die and why didn't she?
well the movie is showed as "the tape" as you notice the end with the static,
and the reason that she didnt die is she made a copy, she will be spreading the word of samara, noah isnt.

~JyPsy
The great phoob of the universe

Felix Underhill
further down the Spiral
(11/2/02 8:19:58 pm)
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Re: Why did Noah Die and why didn't she?
Spoilers!!!!!!!










Beth (Noah's assistant) was preparing to go up to the apartment while Rachel hid in the stairwell. She (on her own in the remake/with the help of hooded man in the original) realised that making a copy, as well as showing the video freed her from dying after seven days. I believe that the copy was under a sofa in front of the television. This is where she had thrown it after finding Aiden (her son) watching it one late night. At the end, she helped Aiden make a copy so that he wouldn't die. She was planning to have him show it to someone else and he asked her what would happen to that person. So, it appeared that they were going to show it to someone later on after the end of the film.

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InfluxDatum
further down the Spiral
(11/2/02 8:26:17 pm)
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because...(spoil)
Rachael is a lot prettier than Noah :rolleyes

CgChick09
further down the Spiral
(11/2/02 8:26:43 pm)
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Re: Why did Noah Die and why didn't she?
If Rachael hadnt made a copy what would have happened to her? Cuz she was in the well when she was supose to die. Well, if she wasnt supose to die then why was the water coming from the cabin and the tv doing the blurry thing?

JyPsy
out from the well
(11/2/02 8:32:57 pm)
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Re: Why did Noah Die and why didn't she?
samara did want out of the well, thats why she fell in, and it was a coincidence that it was her time........even though it wasnt. remember aiden said "she doesnt like the dark place"
Samara is a manipulative little bitch.

~JyPsy
The great phoob of the universe

SadakoIsEve
everyone will suffer
(11/2/02 8:35:20 pm)
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Re: Re: Why did Noan Die and why didn't she?
Cept the dark place spoken of is not the well ^_~

JyPsy
out from the well
(11/2/02 8:43:19 pm)
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Re: Re: Why did Noan Die and why didn't she?
details?

~JyPsy
The great phoob of the universe

dhmasonh6155
shambler
(11/18/02 9:11:10 pm)
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Did anyone notice Noah when...?
After Noah gave the tape back to Rachel in his loft/studio/business, he was talking to her while putting something into a locker. The inside of the locker and its doors was decorated with bumper stickers of Punk groups: The Damned, Bad Religion and Refused, all surrounding Noah. Pretty interesting cinimatic device indicating what was in store for him, don't you think? Did anyone else notice? Comments?

Red Letter Day
shambler
(11/18/02 9:52:00 pm)
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...
I think there was a Pennywise sticker too... ^_^

reZ R ecTeD
Sadako slave
(11/18/02 11:47:39 pm)
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Re: ...
Did making a copy of the tape prevent Rachael from dying in seven days or did she have to make a copy and show the tape to Noah to prevent herself from dying in seven days?

inteferon
manipulator of the Virus
(11/19/02 12:22:54 am)
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Re: ...
IMO, it's hard to say for sure. My reasons for thinking that merely making the copy sufficed are these two:

1. When Rachael makes the realization she thinks: "I made a copy." She could have been thinking "I made a copy!" or "I made a copy...". She didn't add anything, so I accept her statement as being complete.

2. Relying on the original Japanese movie, while Asakawa (Rachael) made a copy, she did not ask Ryuji (Noah) to view it - he took it upon himself to pick it up and watch it. It's true that Noah and Ryuji went through the same physical actions of picking up the tape and pushing 'play', but Rachael reluctantly allowed Noah to view it whereas Asakawa did not offer encouragement nor grant such permission explicitly.

You could also draw the conclusion that both Rachael and Asakawa made a copy AND made the tape AVAILABLE for viewing. Additionally, if Rachel concluded that merely making the copy sufficed, she could also have been wrong in that assumption. Then we could speculate that the reason she was spared was because she made a copy and showed it to Noah and fell in the well and had blonde hair and yadda yadda - and it can get pretty ridiculous quickly.


Edited by: inteferon at: 11/19/02 12:46:14 am
PoptartMcNugget
further down the Spiral
(11/19/02 12:38:13 am)
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Re: ...
I think it's basically the perpetuation of the tape. While Rachael had no intent for Noah to become a victime, she did make a copy. And the final scene where she has Aiden making the tape is definitely evidence that this is how she escaped the curse.

O Deka K
citizen of the Loopworld
(11/19/02 11:05:22 am)
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Re: Saving Private Rachel
I completely agree with PoptartMcNugget. I think that Samara's ultimate goal is the propagation of the tape. Therefore, you need to both copy the tape, and "have someone else watch the copy". I don't believe that the act of willingly giving it to someone is necessary, since it's not important to Samara.

Reasons for copying:
- If no one is required to copy the tape, then there will be very few tapes in circulation (maybe even just one), and its progress will be very slow.
- If someone is killed by it, then circulation may stop completely.

Reasons for having someone else watch it:
- If no one is required to watch the copy, then the curse may not spread at all.
- So someone can make a copy and destroy it right away? That would be a pretty lame way of ending the curse.

You can argue that people can make a copy and destroy the original, but is everyone that responsible? Also, people may not know the entire story. If you've ever played the group game "Telephone" (or "Gossip"), you know that messages change and become skewed. The story of what the tape does and how to save yourself can become skewed in the same way.

If you take the assumption that you have to watch the entire tape before you're cursed and before you save someone else (this can be seen in the other films), then you can see what happened:

- Rachel watched the original and was cursed.
- Noah watched the original and was cursed. Rachel was NOT saved.
- Rachel made a copy. Noah never watched it all the way through.
- Rachel visited Becca and Becca told her she had 4 days.
- Aidan watched the copy and was cursed. Rachel was saved.
- Rachel destroyed the original.
- Aidan copied the copy, with Rachel's help, and was going to show it to someone else.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

One departure from the original that could give it a new twist: What if you had to show both the original and the copy to (different) people? That way, the curse would spread even faster. If you don't do either one, you die, but someone else still gets cursed. Evil.

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Before you die... you GOTTA see The Ring!

Shadmere
shambler
(11/19/02 11:23:23 am)
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dark place isn't the well?
What do you mean, the dark place isn't the well? ::confused::

Rachael
citizen of the Loopworld
(11/19/02 11:29:08 am)
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Saving Private Rachel
Someone here (sorry-I don't remember who) posted a link to an interview with Chris Cooper. He was originally supposed to be in the film as a child murderer who in the end Rachel gives Aidan's tape to...

A few people have mentioned why doesn't Rachel warn Beth-who is heading upstairs to get the fright of her life.

I figure it has something to do with the sequel. Also, if you look carefully, calling out to Beth woudn't have done any good-in Beth's first scene when she arrives at Noah's apartment and Rachel is there, and at the end while she is waiting for the elevator-she has earbud wires hanging down and you can hear the music blasting. She wouldn't have heard her anyway....

It's hard to explain why the curse would spread. I mean, Rachel figures out what she has to do to survive, but how would the average person unless someone told them??? Like, Katie and her friends all saw the tape and then they all died. So the next poor slob (like the innkeeper) who finds the tape wouldn't make a copy unless someone told him to. Unless you happen to be photographed and see the photo before Samara comes for you, you have no idea the curse is even real. Unless someone is there to see your demise (Like Becca) or investigate it thoroughly (Like Rachel) no one else will know you died from a curse either.


What I'm saying is, when Samara starts this whole thing she doesn't really think it through-if Katie didn't have a reporter for an aunt, this whole thing would have ended with the 4 kids, the inkeeper, and possibly some other Shelter Mountain visitors-presuming the place stays open....

inteferon
manipulator of the Virus
(11/19/02 11:34:43 am)
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Re: Saving Private Rachel
Very logical, Rachael. Thanks.

O Deka K
citizen of the Loopworld
(11/19/02 11:44:39 am)
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Re: Saving Private Rachel
Maybe Samara knew that it would go through Rachel's hands. After all, almost all of the things on the tape were seen by Rachel, and some people even say that the tape is a prediction of the future. As Richard Morgan said: "What is it with reporters? You take one person's tragedy and force the world to experience it. You spread it like sickness."

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Before you die... you GOTTA see The Ring!

Rachael
citizen of the Loopworld
(11/19/02 1:56:13 pm)
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hmmmmm
So, you're saying maybe Katie and Krew weren't the first to try to record on the VCR in cabin 12-but Samara knew that Katie's aunt was a reporter and that now was her big chance to get the word out, so to speak???


Hmmmm. I like it!