|What exactly is
Having watched the English language remake of the film, and being
blessed with that very Western need to understand the "science"
behind everything....I am curious to explore what Samara
There is a repeated mention in the movie that Samara's
mother was not supposed to have a child...a point emphasised by
Brian Cox's character (Samara's father).
This implies the
child was of some unnatural origin. Secondly, Samara's powers
preceed her death. She can create pictures as a child. The
psychiatrist asks her this in the video interview and we are given
this answer. This goes someway to explaining how she can "create"
the tape. She is clearly most than an annoyed ghost.
also clearly hurting people as a child, and she can't stop "i'm
sorry" she says. This malignancy seems to be why she is killed by
her own parents.
I can only summise that Samara is some sort
of "devil spawn" the child of a birth pact with supernatural evil
(i.e. Satan, etc). Is this further explored or addressed in any of
the other Ring films, or do you have a better explanation than my
"female Damian theory".
Keen to hear from you,
manipulator of the Virus
(11/19/02 12:37:15 am)
|Re: What exactly
Hello Alucia5 and welcome. Like you, I was also possessed to try to
understand all the mysteries after seeing the movie. Fortunately,
many of these issues have already been bounced around and a good
place to start for answers is the FAQ. Your questions seem to
revolve around Samara's nature and a good thread that examines that
is "Why is Samara evil?" - pub70.ezboard.com/ftherin...=730.topic
After reading a few more posts I can see only one alternative
Samara's mother could not conceive naturally - a
possible alternative to the devil pact theory is that she tried some
alternative conception treatment (perhaps something experimental)
that resulted in a child with special powers.
local doctor's comments regarding their retarded son Darby "it takes
work, some people have limits" It is possible that Samara's parents
did not have the capacity to deal with their child's special gifts.
Thus isolating and mistreating her. As a result Samara's evil is
driven by rejection from her parents. Under this theory her powers
are innate but her evil is environmental.
further down the Spiral
(11/19/02 1:46:44 am)
|Re: Possible non
Thanks, now I am utterly confused, but waiting on baited breath to
hear more...I love the movie for this very reason.
|Re: Possible non
Check out J's FAQ for more clues as to Sadako's (and Samara's?)
origins and nature....
|Samara is not
most sympathizers of samara blame richard and anna of poor
parenting or abuse. Then, even if they do not agree of what samara
has become, they at least believe that samara was a poor girl who
was not treated right so her evil is justified. Her evil resulted
from bad parents. If my parents were evil and I were a saint, I
would be pissed off and mad if my parents would isolate me in a barn
and then succeed at killing me.
But samara was not innocent.
With the coming of samara, the island suffered from harsh winters,
no fish, and anna was going crazy with all the images that samara
was putting in her head. She also put images in richard's head, but
he was stronger. At the end, he still committed suicide.
one point Richard had no choice but to separate samara from anna and
thus put her in the barn to alleviate the mental anguish that Anna
was experiencing. But I don't think it helped. Samara could torment
someone at large. Richard was tormented all the time even after
samara had died and in the mainland. Therefore, Anna might have
killed samara out of her volatile mental state.
all the conditions for evil around samara? She did. Samara herself
created all the evil and attracted evil on herself...and she wants
everybody to suffer. I don't even think that her goal was to live. I
think her goal was to be born and die and carry her plan of
inflicting pain to humankind.
innocent, but she may not have been evil either...
most sympathizers of samara blame
richard and anna of poor parenting or abuse. Then, even if they do
not agree of what samara has become, they at least believe that
samara was a poor girl who was not treated right so her evil is
justified. Her evil resulted from bad parents. If my parents were
evil and I were a saint, I would be pissed off and mad if my parents
would isolate me in a barn and then succeed at killing me.
I don't think Richard and
Anna were bad parents, they just ended up in a situation they (and
probably no one) could handle. Anna obviously loved her, and Richard
probably tried. I don't believe he abused her (although he had no
problem wacking Rachel...), putting her in the barn may have been as
much for Samara's protection as theirs. Even if she was abused, it
doesn't justify killing innocent people. If anything, she should
have only had a beef with Richard. She's definitely an evil
You have to admit, though, putting her in the well
didn't really help matters. The Morgans didn't know that, or realize
how hideously she died, but they unwittingly made things
But samara was not
innocent. With the coming of samara, the island suffered from harsh
winters, no fish...
?? No one
accused her of that. The doctor said this, but I assumed she was
talking about hard times in general, not something Samara caused.
Didn't she say this was "way before the horses"? There was no
indication in life or death that she had that type of ability. I can
see the more superstituous types blaming her for it,
and anna was going
crazy with all the images that samara was putting in her head. She
also put images in richard's head, but he was stronger. At the end,
he still committed suicide...At one point Richard had no choice but
to separate samara from anna and thus put her in the barn to
alleviate the mental anguish that Anna was experiencing. But I don't
think it helped. Samara could torment someone at large. Richard was
tormented all the time even after samara had died and in the
mainland. Therefore, Anna might have killed samara out of her
volatile mental state.
this much we do know to be true. Deliberately or involuntarily
(perhaps both), she was putting images in the minds of others. Based
on what the doctor said, it was probably not limited to just the
Morgans, either. This could have been deliberate, or something
beyond her control. In any case, I'm not sure this warrented a death
sentence, unless there is more to it we haven't been shown
Who created all the
conditions for evil around samara? She did. Samara herself created
all the evil and attracted evil on herself...and she wants everybody
Maybe, maybe not. I
know you're paraphrasing the famous "Everyone will suffer" line, but
there has to be a good reason why such a great line hit the cutting
room floor. I think the filmmakers were downplaying her "evilness".
If she had said that in the tape, well, her intent in life would
have been crystal clear. And before you say it, yeah, I did see when
Rachel remembered Samara's words at the end of the film. I still
maintain she was remembering what Samara said in hindsight, with the
knowledge that she wasn't dealing with a kid, but a ruthless
Look, if she is shown in the sequel to be the spawn
of the Devil, and she sang songs in that sweet voice of hers of
mankind's destruction, then killing her was an act of self defense.
They should have poured gasoline in the well and tossed in a match
if that was the case. I'm just saying that it's possible she was
just a kid who did bad things that were out of her control.
I don't even think
that her goal was to live.
tried her best to scramble out of that hole, though. She also looked
somewhat surprised as she saw the well being covered up behind her.
As others have suggested, I don't doubt she had an inkling of what
was coming. Again, you have to remember she was eight. She may have
seen the images and not totally understood that it was her own
death--by her mother's hands---that she was seeing, just that
something bad was going to happen. I don't know about anyone else,
the face-in-the-trashbag image on the tape had no meaning until I
later watched her mother attempting to kill her.
If it was
her "destiny" to die, why not just throw herself in and sink to the
bottom, why linger for seven
I think her goal was to
be born and die and carry her plan of inflicting pain to
Assuming she was
this evil being, if she had to "die and carry out her plan", then
doesn't that mean she had to discard whatever was human about her in
order to enact her plan? I don't feel sorry for whatever alleged
evil was inside Samara or influenced her as a child, and I
definitely don't feel sorry for the malevolent spirit that's causing
death and destruction. I just feel sorry for whatever part of her
that was human that died in that well.
further down the Spiral
(11/20/02 9:49:42 am)
|Re: Maybe not
innocent, but she may not have been evil eithe
i think she was an evil entity inside a child's body and mind, so
she could be both innocent and evil at the same time. perhaps with
parents that tried to help her instead of harm her, they could have
helped try to her control her powers (even if it didn't work). by
isolating and finally killing her, they only succeeded in fueling
further down the Spiral
(11/20/02 9:55:22 am)
innocent and evil
As I've said before, there's no concrete evidence that Samara
deliberately and maliciously caused all the bad stuff that was
happening on Moesko Island. I think a part of her was definitely
oriented towards evilness, and she probably would have become more
dangerous with time, but disposing of her in the way Anna did was
just about the worst thing that could have been done. If she were
some sort of omnicient malevolent being, why the frantic attempts to
scramble out of the well? She had horrible images in her head, she
transmitted them to others, but part of her was an eight-old girl. A
creature with any trace of humanity, be it ever so slight, doesn't
deserve the fate that she was dealt, especially not when meted out
by the only person she seemed to have loved. The thing is, the
question of what to do with Samara is a conundrum, as Aidan would
put it. There's obviously no way to contain her, she's a danger to
everyone around her, but the way in which she was finally dealt with
burned away whatever impulse towards remorse and mercy that she
might have had.
citizen of the
|Re: maybe both
innocent and evil
Actually, there's no concrete evidence for most of the ideas in the
man, one obsession: The Ring!
Samara herself created all the evil around her life and attracted
evil on herself. There was no hint of goodness in her. I can hardly
believe that there was any humanity in her. Samara had no gifts that
could be used for good. They were all powers for evil. I don't think
that there was anything for the morgans to re-direct...
conversation of Rachel with the doctor did indicate that once samara
had left the island, things got better. I must assume no more harsh
winters, no fish, etc. That's the only logical
Did Samara deserved to be killed? I never
indicated that she deserved to die, but samaraismybiatch tried to
make that silly connection. I never implied it. The answer is that
no one does, but it happens. I am assuming now that Anna killed
Samara out of her mental state. Watched the news
recently...depressed moms killing their kids? It is attrocious, but
if the little brat and bitch did not torment Anna we would not be
here guessing. I'd rather think of Jesus Christ. He had done no
wrong, yet he was crucified.
Samara's only fruit in word and
action was evil. There is hardly any humanity in her that you should
be compassionate about.