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osdia
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(12/17/02 12:51:24 pm)
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Talks about 'The Ring 2' in 2004
At the "Catch Me If You Can" junket, producer Walter Parkes talked about "The Ring 2" and the challenges ahead in doing it. "They did a prequel and a sequel in Japan. Both of them are very narratively unsatisfying. What's interesting about 'The Ring' is that it was equal parts conventional western horror movie, and equal parts very particular ambiguous mystical Japanese experience. But it had enough of both to be very delicious. Even in the original 'Ring,' and we tried to do that in this movie. Now that people know the secret of Samara know what the videotape is and it's very hard to invent something that's as fresh as the first one. We're going to try to have something out two years after the first 'Ring'."

When asked if any of the characters from the first movie would return, he replied, "I'd love to use Naomi and the kid."

Parkes revealed that there is a bit of debate on whether or not the next movie should be a prequel, a sequel, or perhaps both like in "Godfather 2". "There's an interesting prequel to be made which has to do with the parents who give birth to Samara and what happens. That's so beautifully explored in 'Rosemary's Baby'; the kind of anticipation you have about giving birth to a first child, and your fears and hopes and what happens with that. There's something interesting in all that. Unfortunately, I don't know any prequels that quite work as well as sequels do.

We had a conversation and I actually brought up [that] and they're both ultimately about the creation of a fascinating monster. You're fascinated on the creation of Michael Corleone and I think you're fascinated by this little girl Samara and where does she come from. And I thought, like in "Godfather 2," maybe we can look forward and backward. We're trying to make arrangements with Gore and Ehren and we just have to roll our sleeves and get going with it quickly."


Source: www.cinecon.com/news.php?id=0212174

My comments: I don't know about the prequel think, maybe a mix of both, I will love if the come with a very fresh idea.

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Chon Niso
citizen of the Loopworld
(12/17/02 1:18:25 pm)
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"I'd love to use Naomi and the kid."


Haha, "The kid". That was great :lol

I personaly dont think there was anything "Narratively Unsatisfying" about Ring 2 and Ring 0... but something fresh and new would be great for The Ring 2. Lets hope its something cool and not corney like most american horror.

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osdia
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(12/17/02 2:17:38 pm)
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Yeah, 'that kid' is named David Dorfman.

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ArchangelSamara
Sadako slave
(12/17/02 3:08:43 pm)
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yeah i kinda excited about the thought of a 'Ring 2' but kinda afraid that it will be some watered down mess. i wouldnt mind the idea of them combining elements of the Jap. prequel and sequel, think that might be great.

with whatever happens if they bring back Naomi, im hooked...

Edited by: ArchangelSamara at: 12/18/02 11:34:35 am
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Sadako slave
(12/17/02 4:30:39 pm)
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Talks about 'The Ring 2' in 2004
Are the filmmakers reading this message board? I brought up using the Godfather part 2 concept a while ago.
I think the sequel could explore Rachel guilt at bringing on the end on the world to save herself and her son. Maybe there are hints of the destruction of humankind. The deaths continue, and Samara influence creates an atmosphere of endless extreme violence and self destruction. What if Samara wasn't evil, but simply a catalyst for the end of man's reign on earth. When Samara was alive, she is profoundly confused and disheartened by her powers. Just before she is pushed into the well she realizes her true purpose. Just a thought.

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shambler
(12/17/02 4:41:06 pm)
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Talks about 'The Ring 2' in 2004
Another idea. What if Rachel never sleeps becuase Samara haunts her dreams? I know it sounds like Freddy Kreuger, but I think it can be done in a more complex and terrifying way.

Doctor Scott
further down the Spiral
(12/17/02 7:02:10 pm)
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ring talk
producer Walter Parkes talked about...'Rosemary's Baby'...

Deal with the devil, anyone?

ring rasen loop
Administrator, Ring guru
(12/17/02 9:20:47 pm)
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"They did a prequel and a sequel in Japan. Both of them are very narratively unsatisfying...

Hey!


j.

mikejonas
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(12/17/02 9:43:15 pm)
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Well, while I wouldn't say Ring 2 or Ring 0 were "narratively unsatisfying" for me, I don't think anyone can deny that they don't top or equal the original. Parkes is probably thinking that if they remade Ring 2 and Ring 0 as faithfully as they did the original, it would be a foregone conclusion that they wouldn't be as good as The Ring. So it would be better to strike out in a completely different direction and gamble on whether they can top the first installment, rather than go along with the Japanese sequel and be pretty sure it wouldn't be as satisfying.

Besides, I think elements of The Ring have pretty much made an equally faithful Ring 2/0 remake difficult, if not impossible, to pull off. I doubt we could buy an 18-year-old Samara inexplicably turning up in an off-off-Broadway production.

Poptart
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(12/18/02 1:44:09 am)
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I think it would be rediculous to take the format that the ring2 and ring0 took. It shouldn't go that way. It should build on the relationship between Naomi and "the kid". Perhaps, "the kid" should leaad the direction of the sequel. I mean in american horror, sure the kid would become Samara, complete with Naomi offing him just as Samara's mother did, in effect to try and stop the evil. But I think there is a decent premise there, without filling in the blanks. But you have to admit Naomi returning to the well to off her son, after much trial and tribulation could be worth it, done properly, of course.8)

PoptartMcNugget
further down the Spiral
(12/18/02 1:46:51 am)
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Test
I am NOT a shambler, I just screwed up. Sorry;)

InfluxDatum 
everyone will suffer
(12/18/02 2:06:45 am)
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Samara is the child of the devil. That's it!


Naomi Watts...so damn hot

Malfador
Sadako slave
(12/18/02 3:42:41 pm)
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:(
This sequel is gonna be a travesty.

I @#%$' hate Hollywood.

mikejonas
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(12/18/02 4:55:13 pm)
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This sequel is gonna be a travesty.

I @#%$' hate Hollywood.


To put things in perspective, that's what people were saying about the remake before it came out.

Isoline
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(12/19/02 2:07:49 am)
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SciFi Channel has piped up with at story...

http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/art-main.html?2002-12/18/10.00.film

You say psycho like its a bad thing!

sillypieceofjunk
Sadako slave
(12/19/02 8:37:42 am)
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i hope they get the same actors. it ust wouln't be the same. its like david duchovny and gillian anderson, david schwimmer and jennifer aniston, mike meyers and seth green, mel gibson and danny glover.... these projects wouldn't have been the same without the same actors. the actors casted for "the ring" were absolutely perfect in every way. a sequel to this movie wouldn't have the same effect with different actors even with a phenomenal story. and if you can't get the same actors, write different characters! like in "speed 2: cruise control" they couldn't get keanu reeves so they just made a different character. (still a mediocre movie though). oh well. alan.

inteferon
the chosen infected
(12/19/02 11:28:40 am)
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They've gotta work in Dennis Hopper! Or Steve Buscemi. It would be a fair step towards redemption.

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Lee Fiora Solus
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(12/19/02 12:54:21 pm)
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LOL

"What is my purpose in this world? I do not know. However, I will make the time worth it as long as I am alive."

rfunk79
further down the Spiral
(12/19/02 7:39:26 pm)
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WOW Talk about contradictions in opinions!!! On one hand someone said they didn't want it to get watered down, and then someone said...
" think the sequel could explore Rachel guilt at bringing on the end on the world to save herself and her son"

Hmmm Isn't that the typical American way to ruin a movie. Instead of giving the hero a plot to save her own ass, as in the Ring, now she is saving all humanity!?!? While we are at it, lets add cool CG effect of her dodging Samara in slow motion... Oh oh oh and then there needs to be an alien somewhere, and then someone ( the lame character who provides comic relief ), can say " Don't go there" right before they die. GAWD, Why can't Hollywood think of something ORIGINAL!!?!?

My idea for the sequel? Well, Rachel was trying to find out about her neices death in the first film, so now I think that she knows how to save herself from Samara, she would be able to delve even farther into the lives of Samara and the happy Morgan family. Maybe in the midst of this, another tape pops up somewhere else... So we get the future/past thing we like.... Eh, who knows, I'm sure it won't be as good as the last. It can't be, because we know the horror. Only us ringeeks would be satisfied with a 2 hour documatenry explaining the first film to us... everyone else just wants to be scared!

" You don't want to hurt anyone."
" But I do."

Doctor Scott
further down the Spiral
(12/19/02 8:54:43 pm)
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sequel
The sequel should be about Samara. I don't care about Rachel or Aiden, all I care about is Samara. Get all new characters, for all I care, except Samara.

It could be really interesting, and we could still learn more about Samara while at the same time being entertained and interested in new people. I vote for an elderly couple watching "the Golden Girls", when suddenly....the tv turns to static and.......

miharu
the chosen infected
(12/19/02 10:09:22 pm)
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maybe that's where rachel's father would come in ;p

-miharu

Samaraismybiach
Sadako slave
(12/19/02 10:12:53 pm)
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hardcore jollies:
Are the filmmakers reading this message board? I brought up using the Godfather part 2 concept a while ago.


I would be shocked if they hadn't come to this site, it's very easy to find. If none of the filmmakers themselves have ventured here, you can be sure someone associated with them has.

sillypieceofjunk:
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i hope they get the same actors. it ust wouln't be the same


Watts is a safe bet to return, and Dorfman (Aidan) will probably come back. It would be great to see the actors playing Mr. and Mrs. Morgan return, Brian Cox (Mr. Morgan) in particular. He's an excellent actor.

Unfortunately, they would probably have to recast Samara, since Chase will probably outgrow the role before they can start filming. She's small for her age, but she doesn't really look eight; as it was, they had to work around her size. Hopefully they can cast someone who can actually act.

rfunk79:
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My idea for the sequel? Well, Rachel was trying to find out about her neices death in the first film, so now I think that she knows how to save herself from Samara, she would be able to delve even farther into the lives of Samara and the happy Morgan family. Maybe in the midst of this, another tape pops up somewhere else...


That seems the obvious way to go. I suspect that even if Rachel "passes on" the curse to someone else, Samara won't let either her or Aidan alone. Or, perhaps the tape is somehow broadcast to an audience, and Rachel has to figure out how to really stop the curse before thousands of Samaras begin to claim their victims.

In any case, she'll no doubt have to return to the island to see people who knew the Morgans (since they can't speak for themselves), and I can see her perhaps even going overseas for answers. Samara herself might provide further insight about her life through (as suggested) more dreams, another tape, etc. I would think that Rachel would have to find out on her own about Samara's orgins.

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Eh, who knows, I'm sure it won't be as good as the last.


Good point, there is great potential here to royally screw it up. However, I have some faith in the creative team. They managed to remake a good film and still turn out an extremely effective thriller---no easy task if you look over the list of Hollywood remakes. There are also enough hints in the film to indicate that there is definitely enough backstory and potential developments for a good second film, they just have to be able to effectively bring it to the screen.

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It can't be [as good], because we know the horror.


You're right, it's going to be tough to follow up that glimpse of Katie's corpse, or the horror of Anna's matricide, or Samara coming out for Noah. We know the horror, but keep in mind we haven't seen all of it. We haven't seen what really happened on the island, or what happened to Becca to land her in an institution. We haven't seen Samara's time in the well, or her birth. For all we know, she could have crawled out of Anna the way she crawled out of Noah's television. ;)

Edited by: Samaraismybiach at: 12/19/02 10:20:02 pm
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Sadako slave
(12/20/02 4:12:15 am)
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My suggestion: do a miniseries. Not a full fledged TV-series like 'Saishuushou' or 'Rasen' (it was stretched out too far, I would think) but a three or four part miniseries, chronicling the last days/weeks of little ten-year-old Samara.

Or, if they do make the film, don't reveal anything big before the end.

And please don't call it 'The Ring 2', you corporate type people who I hope are listening. Call it 'Ring: The Well' or 'Ring: Static' or 'Ring: Seven Days' if you can. Just 'Ring 2' would be too stupid for a sequel to such an intellectual thriller.

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angrygn0me
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(12/22/02 8:29:07 am)
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Yea but Daveigh Chase is going to grow up before they can make the sequel. Kids at that age sprout quickly, she'll go through puberty before they can make The Ring 2. Ha

JyPsy
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(12/22/02 3:57:49 pm)
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loop would be a good name
i would kind of like to see what happens to aiden now.
you know the terror cant be over.
if they would have ended it like Ringu, (the mother driving to the grandparents house with the VCR) maybe something could have happened there, like the car crashes, etc.

or just make the next movie a side story. you know that people know about this tape and there may be more than one copy out there.............

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Sadako slave
(12/22/02 11:48:59 pm)
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Oh wow that would be so cool! If they go ahead with that they better not screw it up. The Ring kicked some major ass and a pissy sequel or prequel would totally ruin it.

TourneurJr
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(12/22/02 11:54:44 pm)
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For all we know, she could have crawled out of Anna the way she crawled out of Noah's television.

EWWW.

Lovecraft-ian, almost. "Frolic in brine, goblins be thine." :p

Rachael
citizen of the Loopworld
(12/24/02 8:28:10 am)
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Ring 2
From the Arizona Republic- 12/22/02


Samara's story: 'Ring' prequel planned


Dec. 22, 2002


NEW YORK - A prequel to The Ring, which has grossed more than $100 million, is in the works, according to the film's producer, Walter F. Parkes.


"The most interesting story to tell is a prequel, because I want to know how Samara came into this world," Parkes says.

As for whether Ring star Naomi Watts will return as Rachel Keller, he says, "I don't know. We have an option for her to do it, and I'd love her to do it, but . . . first, we have to get the story written."

He hopes to have The Ring 2 in theaters by October 2004.