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inteferon
Sadako slave
(11/2/02 1:21:07 pm)
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SPOILER ALERT: Re-make plot hole and more questions
I consider it a weakness in the American re-make that no adequate explanation was provided that tape replication has significance and is actually desired by Samara. Yes, I know it was said that she wanted to be heard, but the natural assumption is that she wanted to be heard for sympathy/understanding instead of to kill. Still, this angle is a great lead-in to a sequel (which I hope will do justice, <sigh>).

Also, if having made a copy of the tape had saved Rachelís life, why was Samara still trying to kill her as her time was counting down? Samara, via the floors buckling and the TV falling, Ďpushedí Rachel into the well, and a fall from such a height (even into a few feet of water) is normally fatal. Does making a copy buy you another 7 days or are you off the hook completely? Are we to assume that Aidan was saved just by being present at the tape copying (I recall it being Rachelís fingers that were pushing the VTR buttons)? Once the whole world has seen/made a copy, does the killing stop?

What a rare and well-conceived story that it raises more questions than answers (or maybe Iím just dense)!

SadakoIsEve
everyone will suffer
(11/2/02 1:39:44 pm)
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Re: SPOILER ALERT
You are just dense is my perspective but I could be wrong. The way you should be thinking is that Samara really does want her story told. At the end of the movie Aiden mentions 'so you helped her?' meaning that Samara did want to be helped in her devious, and perhaps a bit on the evil side, plan to spread virus or story depending if you copy or not. No you don't get more time by copying and showing tape to someone else. You are homefree but never free of the tape's effects. You are never normal again after The Ring ^_~

inteferon
Sadako slave
(11/2/02 1:53:36 pm)
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Re: SPOILER ALERT
Ouch, S.I.E. - coming from you, that hurt. I'm putting the drowning pox on your pets and giving you seven days! Ring ring. (That'll learn me for being rhetorical... ;-~)

O Deka K
further down the Spiral
(11/2/02 2:49:25 pm)
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Re: Re-make questions
I don't think those questions are bad at all. I agree that it's not that clear that Samara wanted the video to spread. I like the original better in this respect, because you can piece together how Sadako (Samara) is manipulating Reiko (Rachel) into spreading the tape. I made a post about this called "Another Remake Difference *SPOILERS*".

According to the Japanese movies and as SadakoIsEve said, making a copy and showing it to someone spares your life, but it doesn't free you completely.

Also, in the last scene where they were copying the tape, Rachel was guiding Aidan and pressing his fingers for him. This is how you're supposed to realize that the act of copying the tape is necessary. The conversation that follows, and the realization that Samara wants to be heard, tells you that the tape needs to spread as well.

Before you die... you GOTTA see The Ring!

Isoline
shambler
(11/2/02 5:15:30 pm)
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re:SPOILER ALERT: Re-make plot hole and more questions
"I consider it a weakness in the American re-make that no adequate explanation was provided that tape replication has significance and is actually desired by Samara. Yes, I know it was said that she wanted to be heard, but the natural assumption is that she wanted to be heard for sympathy/understanding instead of to kill. Still, this angle is a great lead-in to a sequel (which I hope will do justice, <sigh>)."

I don't, the urban legend was there before Rachel got the tape remember. Now that said, would you believe that this tape existed and was capable of killing if a few people around you hadn't died. Not only that but as we saw, the tape actually forshadows Rachels involvement, like Samara knew she would be meeting Rachel at some point, then bingo, she gets her neice and a few of her buds and blamo, you got Rachel, who buy the way, is a journalist. What better person to have in your camp then a Journalist, someone paid to tell the story. Perhaps Samara was counting on her investigative skills to getting what she wanted. Either way, it worked out for both parties involved, Rachel got her story, even though it cost her and Samara was indeed heard.

"Also, if having made a copy of the tape had saved Rachelís life, why was Samara still trying to kill her as her time was counting down? Samara, via the floors buckling and the TV falling, Ďpushedí Rachel into the well, and a fall from such a height (even into a few feet of water) is normally fatal. Does making a copy buy you another 7 days or are you off the hook completely? Are we to assume that Aidan was saved just by being present at the tape copying (I recall it being Rachelís fingers that were pushing the VTR buttons)? Once the whole world has seen/made a copy, does the killing stop?"

I think everyone here made this clear, but it seems that even when you beat your 7 days that you still remain affected by Sadako, what will happen then is entirely up to her. So though you won't die on the 7th day, you are not completely in the clear.

Capsaicin79  
further down the Spiral
(11/2/02 5:27:49 pm)
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Re: re:SPOILER ALERT: Re-make plot hole and more questions
samara pushes rachel into the well via the tv falling, because it allows rachel to find her body and set her free. not to kill rachel.

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SadakoIsEve
everyone will suffer
(11/2/02 6:17:05 pm)
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Re: Re: re: SPOILER ALERT
There no such thing as coicidence

inteferon
Sadako slave
(11/2/02 6:35:12 pm)
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Rachel's fall
Well if she wasn't trying to kill Rachel then Samara took an awful chance dropping her down the well - she could have been killed (4 feet of water is less of a cushion for an adult than it may have been for Samara). The fact is that both Rachel and Noah figured she was going to die when the sun went down. I still can't figure out just how Rachel deduced that her life had been spared as a result of copying the tape. A brain flash when she was burning the original? There were, after all, a number of other things she had done that Noah had not done. Also, please remind me what event or conversation convinced Rachel that Samara wants to be heard. TIA

SadakoIsEve
everyone will suffer
(11/2/02 6:39:13 pm)
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Re: Rachel's fall
Really didn't happen but infering suggests the flash back by touching Samara's body caused revelation

Felix Underhill
further down the Spiral
(11/2/02 7:28:02 pm)
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Re: Rachel's fall
Spoiler!!!!!!!










This is another part where the original was a bit clearer. Our favourite hooded man (literally) pointed out the solution for Reiko in her apartment. When he appeared on her television screen, he directed her attention to her bag where the video copy was.

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Edited by: Felix Underhill at: 11/2/02 7:30:19 pm
SadakoIsEve
everyone will suffer
(11/2/02 7:29:55 pm)
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Re: Re: Rachel's fall
Felix is correct