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aennil
Sadako slave
(10/24/02 11:28:22 am)
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Richard Morgan question
Does anyone know why there was so much electronic equipment in Richards bathroom.... was he making tapes?

tapeborrower
further down the Spiral
(10/24/02 11:36:37 am)
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Re: Richard Morgan question
I didn't see the remake yet, but i see this truly impossible. In the original there was only one tape. Then people started make copies one after one, so i can't imagine the remake would change the main fact from the original.

five dollars for rent, please ...

Edited by: tapeborrower at: 10/24/02 11:37:28 am
itchytriggafingajigga
Sadako slave
(10/24/02 11:38:44 am)
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yeah
yeah i was wondering the same thing, omg my tv went fuzzy in the middle of a show. If my mom wasnt in the room i would have stabbed myself in the temple with my pen! Alot of weird @#%$ has been hapening to me since seeing that.... i might post about it later.. oh and i have a well in my basment...

deadliner
further down the Spiral
(10/24/02 11:44:01 am)
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re:
I have posted many times about my feelings regarding the film,...but a well in your basement???

Now that WOULD scare the living S**T right outta me!!!

Not just cuz of The Ring, but also cuz of Amtiville.

deadliner

itchytriggafingajigga
Sadako slave
(10/24/02 11:52:34 am)
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yeah
yeah i didnt realize it till i saw the ring, but i used to play by it when i was little, but the opening is square and has a wood cover. luckily the cover has boxes on it.. alot of weird stuff has happend to me though.. the tv turned off by itself 2 times when right after i saw it. And my mom was telling me i was overreacting, then she said the light turned off on her last night while she was upstairs and she freaked out. I went to goodwill with my mom to find stuff to sell on ebay and the lights turned off then all the kids started crying(not so scary more entertaining) it felt like someone was tapping my head when i sat in our living room so i sat forward and it felt like someone was tapping my back. Its mostly at night... My mom jokingly said my mind was so active from the movie that im doing these things in a firestarter way... anyway.. ive typed way to much.. but this movie really messed me up i will post about it later.

Before you die you see the Square!

Suzy Qzy
Sadako slave
(10/24/02 1:17:36 pm)
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richard morgan
he put the electrical equipment in the bathroom because he was planning to commit suicide by electocution. i think perhaps the reason it was tvs etc, was the fact that samara contacts her victims through this medium, thus his only escape. hope this helped.

aennil
Sadako slave
(10/24/02 1:23:31 pm)
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richard morgan
well, i guess but - don't you just need an outlet and that extension cord?

Suzy Qzy
Sadako slave
(10/24/02 1:33:49 pm)
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morgan
yes, but isnt that a bit trite and boring?

CikalaTheRogue
Sadako slave
(10/24/02 2:03:42 pm)
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Re: morgan
Meh, I guess he wanted a big shock :p

Mister Grey
citizen of the Loopworld
(10/24/02 5:09:19 pm)
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My two cents
The man went insane. It appears to me as if he wasn't a bad man, just an incredibly unlucky man who was forced to bear a burden no man should have to. After all that he and his wife went through to get a child, she ended up, for simplicity's sake, a dangerous little girl; his wife murdered their daughter, then comitted suicide. Any normal man would go nuts after that. Perhaps the reason he had all the TV sets there was that, in his decaying state of mind, he thought that suicide using a television would bring him closer to his daughter.

rachel
further down the Spiral
(10/24/02 8:26:20 pm)
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my take
I have said this elsewhere in the forum, but since you are actually asking about this, i will post it again.

I believe that the bathroom was where Richard kept Samara. The televisions and equipment were what he was using to record her and conduct experiments on her to see why she was like that, and perhaps to punish her. I believe he put her in there before he couldn't take her anymore and brought her out to the barn. Like Mister Grey said, I also believe he went crazy, and this is why he did not change the bathroom, or the barn. I also think that the water seeping out of Katie's door at the beginning was a reference to that bathroom. Perhaps not Samara herself, but the filmmaker was making that connection, which led me to believe that bathroom was very significant.

Speaking of the barn, why did Aiden say, "She doesn't like the barn. The horses keep her up at night," when in fact, Samara never sleeps?

HHHnRVDnMattHardy
Sadako slave
(10/24/02 8:38:10 pm)
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Re: my take
She told him that so that he could tell his mother and it would lead her to the barn that would lead her to cabin 12 and help out with her master plan.

VidVicious
Sadako slave
(10/24/02 8:42:06 pm)
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Re: my take
I puzzled over the same thing...

Here's my rationalization. It's a red herring in the movie. Aidan "sees" an image of Samara in the barn in the dark at night. She's awake. He also "sees" an image of the horses, and perhaps "hears" them too. He puts two and two together and gets five. He assumes she's not sleeping because the poor girl's in the loft of the barn and the horses must be what's keeping her awake. In fact, Samara never slept...

Aidan must not see things 100% clearly. He didn't know Samara was in a well. Rather he says cryptically, "She lives in a dark place."

mellybeanTC
Sadako slave
(10/24/02 8:42:16 pm)
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i'll give it a try
my fiance's and my theory is that it takes a lot of "draw" on household current to electrocute yourself ... if you just plug into a socket, the house breaker would trip instantly, leaving you scorched (have heard about failed suicide attempts). with that much stuff in one room, it took a bit for the household power to go off (3 or 4 seconds i think?) plus having more TV stuff responsible for a death just adds to the movie's scariness.

i think Aiden said she never sleeps, AND she doesn't like it in the barn because of the horses ... because the horses kept her awake, and that's why she drove them to commit suicide by drowning.

peace,
mellybeanTC

tenebrae99
citizen of the Loopworld
(10/24/02 8:59:43 pm)
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I may be wrong here, and it wouldn't be the first time
The device Morgan uses to commit suicide -- didn't it look like some primitive shock therapy device?

Suzy Qzy
Sadako slave
(10/25/02 7:40:08 am)
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shock
my friend said the device he used is what they use to electrocute cows and horses before they are slaughtered.

miharu
citizen of the Loopworld
(10/25/02 7:50:17 am)
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Re: shock
if that's actually the case, that's quite the interesting tidbit. can anyone verify this (gah.. disturbing ;p ) ?

-miharu

she never sleeps...

mellybeanTC
Sadako slave
(10/25/02 11:09:27 am)
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Re: shock
do you mean what he put in his mouth? that's a regular horse bit. i wondered why on top of all the electrical stuff he chose that ... metal transmits electricity ... was he hoping for a quicker death? or just another tie-in to the horses.

peace,
mellybeanTC

Lithium
manipulator of the Virus
(10/25/02 12:03:06 pm)
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Re: shock
He wanted to make sure he was DEAD. Just being in the water alone might not do it (not like it does in movies - you've got a good chance of surviving it). He wanted the current to run through him... especially the head. A horse bit would do just fine (though that would BURN like hell).

mandrake
shambler
(10/25/02 12:53:59 pm)
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first off
i hate this scene. this and the scene where the horse leaps off and under the boat have no reason, what so ever, to be in the movie. the father killing himself like that, to me, was just bad schlock movie writing, which the remake is full of. it seems the remake went through teh classic hollywood rewrite. ie: "well teh script is good, but since we producers are funding you, we need to make some changes, so we brough in another writer to do it for us"

Good examples of these places would be the "tying up" of some of the retarded loose ends "how long does it take to die in a well" "7 days...." bleah. it makes me want to drink bleach.

i mean, that is what i love about the original, it's so void of schlock crap. the suicide was over the top, too much with the rest of it, pointlessly overdone for shock value.

if this was a lower budget it film it would have escaped the "rewrite radar" (one of things that helped/cursed house of 1000 corpses....it's uncompromised, but also unreleased).....

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yes, but isnt that a bit trite and boring?


yes, but more fitting to the mood and the feeling of the story and the way it was moving. this scene was just absurd. it was trite and overthe top cliche horror schlock.

rachel
further down the Spiral
(10/25/02 3:55:28 pm)
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Re: first off
The horse scene was there to show that the horses DID drown themselves because they were scared. It seemed that there had been debate about whether or not they were sick with something. They were not.

The scene where Richard killed himself was there to show that he knew what was going on, but would not tell her.

Lithium
manipulator of the Virus
(10/25/02 5:29:43 pm)
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Re: first off
It was also there to show that what was going on was so disturbing, that someone who wasn't even a direct target but KNEW wouldn't be able to handle it.

Plus he did imply that she was tormenting him STILL... gives you an idea of just how far her abilities can actually reach.

I wonder if he ever saw the tape?

As for schlock, don't even get me started. The original had more than it's share... but people ignore it because it's a good movie. For instance, the way people would just turn their emotions on and off... they'd be ok, then in a matter of seconds they'd be a weeping heap... then suddenly it never happened. I just took it in stride as being part of the story.

EricMontreal22
Sadako slave
(10/25/02 5:32:32 pm)
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Agreed
I agree to an extent--I really enjoyed the remake but I thinkt his scene doens't really work. However after reading various articles it's amazing that the director got away with making the movie as vague as he did (tho' apparantly right form the onset the producers and studio decided the first hour should be in keeping with the original but the second would have to be changed a lot to remove the psychic elemtns largely--dunno why they felt this was so necesary but...)

However the horse scene made a BIT more sense to me even if I dont'r eally understand why the horses were added anyway... Wasn't it cuz now that Rachel had been cursed the horses sensed Samara's presence thru her? Wasn't it implied it was Samara's abilities that drove the horses mad in the first place/

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Lithium
manipulator of the Virus
(10/25/02 6:19:03 pm)
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Re: Agreed
The horses were a plot element....they had to lose some plot elements in translation, but also they wanted to add some of their own. I thought the horses were a good idea in general - it was one of the things that caught my attention when I first saw the trailer... to my Ring-Virgin ears, the line "did you see the horses?" and a few horse images were just plain eerie.

It does seem that it's mostly people who were first familiar with Ringu who don't like the horses (dunno what you saw first in your case, I'm just speaking generally). But personally, I thought they were a very nice touch.

JyPsy
Sadako slave
(10/26/02 1:14:06 am)
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Re: Agreed
Ok being a new ringworm, i saw the remake last week (yeah im a bit creeped that its been a week, but i saw myself on camera, and my face is normal :) ) and have been doing extensive research on the original trilogy. (and the forgotten sequel)
Personally the suicide scene was really disturbing....mainly because of the riding bit he put in his mouth......that just....*shudder*.
I think the scene was a bit gratuitious for the film, and the movie would have been just fine without it being so graphically intense.
Same thing with The horse scene........that was the first time i was about to walk out of the theatre. (im a HUGE movie buff) But otherwise i think Richard Morgan knew somehow about the tape and knew that it was starting (again?) and he would soon be dead, anyways.
Note: he used a riding bit to shock himself, (reminicent of the horses that died. that samara hated), he used video tape & TV equipment (obvious connection there). and he did it in the bathtub....(everyone that died looked "drowned", the horses drowned themselves...the water creeping up on the victims)
it almost is as if she made him do it.

just my 2 cents.

~JyPsy<br>
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EricMontreal22
Sadako slave
(10/26/02 1:37:38 am)
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all the pretty horses
Woah you almost walked out when the horse drowned? I foudn the scene upsetting but more cuz I'm an animal, and horse nut (and I ahve to admit that, despite hopefully knowing better, I did worry about the real horse's safety).

And to clarrify I liked the horses, andthought they added an eerieness, I just didn't quite understand them. :) (I guess the horse and horse ranching element was meant to replace the psychic one)

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JyPsy
Sadako slave
(10/26/02 4:42:10 am)
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Re: all the pretty horses
well, i see that richard loved the horses more than he did samara, hence the reason she hates him (that and he kept her in the barn) as a child, she associated horses with her father's treatment, and vice versa.
So now she makes horses go psycho, and kills people.
she had a tragic upbringing i guess.
(if my mom unsuccessfully suffocated me, then dumped me down a well for dead, i would probably do the same thing!)

~JyPsy<br>
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rachel
further down the Spiral
(10/26/02 8:44:48 am)
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schlock
I agree that the original had its share of schlock, and its share of scenes that just did not work. Like the scene where she first watches the video tape and sees Sadako reflected in the glass, that was cliche, and didn't really amount to much. And the only actor I really cared for was Ryuiji. I think the original is a great film, but I don't think it's a perfect film, and the remake is schlock crap.

MiamiSooner4
Sadako slave
(10/26/02 9:42:01 am)
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about electrocution....
there are some misconceptions here about how somebody in real life would go about electrocuting himself... needless to say that what the movie shows would be overkill, you dont need to go thru all that to electrocute yourself.

OK, lets go back to electricity theory 101. There are 3 things to consider, voltage, current, and resistance. The human body is fairly resistant to electric shock, in other words it takes a high "push" of voltage to cause current to flow.

HOWEVER, the body's natural resistance can be lowered SUBSTANTIALLY by wet skin. Water, H20 has lots of free electrons associated with the oxygen atoms and therefore current flows easily across it. It takes a much lower voltage to push the same amount of current thru water compared to skin.

Yes, it is possible to shock yourself by simply hooking up a cord to the outlet and then touching the exposed metal end of the cord. The truth is however, that the current flow would be so small that it wouldnt really kill you. It would be painful and maybe burn your skin a little, but usually its not enough to kill you.

The key to finding out if you would die from electric shock is to calculate the current runnign thru your body. Voltage in and of itself is only secondary to the problem. current = voltage/resistance, so the larger my resistance is, the lower the current draw will be. By immersing myself in water, my resistance decreases substantially, so the corresponding current draw is much greater. The standard wall outlet can put up a max of 15 A of current; 1 amp is enough to kill you, but again the current draw changes depending on what your resistance is.

Now, another complicating factor is that current flow thru your body largely determines how long it takes the shock to kill you and how painful it is.

Since water poses a low resistance to current flow, simply dousing yourself with water and hitting the juice would cause severe skin burns. Its enough to kill you, but it would take awhile and the pain you would suffer would be great, the reason being that the majority of the current draw would flow thru the water instead of penetrating deep into your body.

To decrease the pain, you need to draw the current into the interior of your body, namely your brain and heart. Thats why electric chairs use metal probes that are attached to your head. If you can focus the current thru your head and down your nerves into your heart, your pain and suffering is far, far less than it would be otherwise, and death is almost instantaneous.

You can achieve the same effect by biting on a metal piece and drawing more of the current into the interior of your body instead of allowing it to localize on your skin (OUCH).

So, in conclusion, the way Richard Morgan does it is it the best way to ensure minimum pain and a quick death. Its not necessary to do that to kill yourself, but it does make it a lot quicker

Nemesis
Sadako slave
(11/1/02 10:54:05 pm)
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Great movies..
Have their strange moments that seem to be out of place or odd. Remember the oral sex flashback in The Shining? That made no real sense but it gave everyone a LOT to talk about. I think that the mysterious Richard Morgan gives everyone a lot to talk about, too. His vague reactions, his torment and his graphic suicide all demonstrate a man ripped apart by a dead daughter's and dead wife's lingering presence.

SadakoIsEve
everyone will suffer
(11/1/02 10:55:54 pm)
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Re: Great movies..
Very contemplative