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JyPsy
further down the Spiral
(11/2/02 8:09:01 pm)
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NEW Theory on "comfortable" death positions.
Ok my g/f & I just came up with this theory, and after a bit of refining and discussion here it is.


******SPOILER*******

Ok the last thing we see is samara coming for the victims.
what if she "posseses" or inhabits their bodies temporarily, so they relive her last moments in the well, so the last thing they see is the "ring" from the well. that all fits.
In experiencing her last moments,what else would you do if you were stuck in a well for the last seconds of life, find the most comfortable postion possible.
In common folklore, vengeful ghosts have always wanted 2 goals, to have company in death, and/or for others to experience their pain. this would also explain the rapid "decay" (samara probably didnt look too pretty while she was at her 6th day.)
this also explains the messed up face of katie when she screamed. she looked waterlogged, and really screwed up. (look at the post "katies face" for the pics, one is down right now)
basically in the opening scene, what if that isnt samara "rushing to kill her" but her rushing to posses katie. then of course there would be the quick shots of the video, since they are samaras memories.
(what better way to be heard than to put them in your shoes?)

Now becca seeing this, would go completely nuts. girl comes out of tv, (walks?) into her best friend who screamed and looks creepy as hell, and katie shivers into the closet and dies.

ALSO
for those of you wondering if becca was in the room the whole time, SHE WAS! evidence is this. if she entered the room after the water was there, there wold have been beccas footprints, not a perfect puddle under the door AND, katie called for becca multiple times downstairs........becca saw it beginning and was too scared to respond.


its all starting to make sense, i welcome discussion.

~JyPsy
The great phoob of the universe

SadakoIsEve
everyone will suffer
(11/2/02 8:12:24 pm)
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Re: NEW Theory on "comfortable" death positions.
I am agreeing with you. Your commitee has been ayed and case closed

JyPsy
further down the Spiral
(11/2/02 8:15:40 pm)
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Re: NEW Theory on "comfortable" death positions.
lol :)

~JyPsy
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CgChick09
further down the Spiral
(11/2/02 8:16:20 pm)
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Re: NEW Theory on "comfortable" death positions.
Wait, ok. The only thing people say is that Samara scares them to death. Well y wouldnt becca die?? I know she didnt see the tape but she did see samara right? but does like samara cause more fright to people that have seen it or something?

JyPsy
out from the well
(11/2/02 8:19:47 pm)
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Re: NEW Theory on "comfortable" death positions.
rebecca didnt see the video, the possesion theory explains why katie died, becca just got scared. Katie (in theory) was possesed.

NEW INFO
she just came up with another part, which adds on to the virus theory, the tape programs the "virus" (idea they will die etc) into the person, so that samara can identify them by the imagery in their minds now.

~JyPsy
The great phoob of the universe

SadakoIsEve
everyone will suffer
(11/2/02 8:21:52 pm)
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Re: Re: NEW Theory on "comfortable" death position
Yes yes see all how it works out *nods wisely*

InfluxDatum
further down the Spiral
(11/2/02 8:44:36 pm)
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yes
all the ppl who watched the tape opened a spiritual door to samara to be partially possessed. Everything points to this fact, from warped facial photo shoots to strange images and dreams. Katie commented 'why are this things in my head' or something for that effect. It all stayed with them and they were not external.

Rachael continued to experience samara even after making a copy of the tape and showing it to Noah. Samara just chose not to kill her, but it does not prevent her from torturing her for the rest of her life. I don't think the curse is broken by copying the tape and showing it to someone else.

Samara can only kill those that opened up (gave her legal rights) to her by watching the tape. She surely scared Becca. But she could not kill Becca. Not in the standpoint of spiritual law. For the victims, it was not only fear, but spirit of death transmitted from Samara into the victims that killed them if not something in addition as well.

SadakoIsEve
everyone will suffer
(11/2/02 8:52:04 pm)
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Re: yes
Precisely

JyPsy
out from the well
(11/2/02 8:52:26 pm)
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Re: yes
lol legal rights, she is the biggest advocate of video piracy!!!
copy it and live!

~JyPsy
The great phoob of the universe

InfluxDatum
further down the Spiral
(11/2/02 8:57:56 pm)
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...
spiritual laws...i am referring to.

as long as samara didn't obtain a copyright of the tape, rachael or anybody else can make as many copies as they want. :rolleyes

JyPsy
out from the well
(11/2/02 9:04:16 pm)
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Re: ...
i know just the phrase is funny, didnt mean to offend. (got cut off last time i was posting)

~JyPsy
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Edited by: JyPsy at: 11/4/02 11:44:04 pm
O Deka K
further down the Spiral
(11/5/02 12:11:38 am)
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Re: NEW Theory on "comfortable" death positions.
Wait, ok. The only thing people say is that Samara scares them to death.

That's not exactly true. Katie's mom only says that her heart stopped. Here's the exact quote:

"Doesn't make any sense, Rachel. I spent four hours on the Internet and I couldn't find one single case of a sixteen-year old girl's heart just stopping. I spoke to three different doctors and not one of them could tell me exactly what happened to my daughter."

Before you die... you GOTTA see The Ring!

Edited by: O Deka K at: 11/5/02 12:12:07 am
JyPsy
citizen of the Loopworld
(11/5/02 12:33:24 am)
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Re: NEW Theory on "comfortable" death positions.
personally i dont see why the doctors didnt notice the whole "decayed look" at all.....nope not suspicious.......

~JyPsy
The great phoob of the universe

Turtle God Kame
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(11/5/02 1:57:20 am)
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>\
I'm still looking for the tv series where sadako sexes em up...

Go to Kame's House for assorted junk! Last upd8: 10/10/02

JyPsy
citizen of the Loopworld
(11/5/02 2:42:13 am)
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Re: >\
i was joking around while cuddling with my g/f and called her sadako (and samara another time) she didnt like it :) but she knows i am a nut for the long hair and decomposed look....(well at least the long hair part.)

~JyPsy
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ring rasen loop
Administrator, Ring guru
(11/5/02 7:59:00 am)
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Re: >\
I'm still looking for the tv series where sadako sexes em up...

"Ring - The T.V. Movie (Ring: Kanzen-ban, '95). IN JAPANESE.
"Ring" fans take note! Here's the original made-for-tv movie that the feature film was based on! Surprisingly more violent and much more sexual, this fast-paced production is taken from the original Japanese t.v. broadcast in 1995 and includes the original t.v. commercials as well! In Japanese language with no English subtitles but easy to follow if you are familiar with the feature film. Rated R."

http://www.trashpalace.com/collectorsvideotapes/horror2.htm

From a link on ye olde merchandise page.


j.

Rachael
further down the Spiral
(11/5/02 11:17:13 am)
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yes
I think when you watch the tape you are "formatted" and then Samara can record over you. She records her life and death over your own memories and makes them real for you-including your demise.

I like the idea of her taking physical possession-or at the very least controlling her victim's movements.

inteferon
further down the Spiral
(11/5/02 11:19:25 am)
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Re: Formatted
Very cool analogy! Maybe reversing the curse involves de-gaussing with a big mother magnet.....

Kitano
the chosen infected
(11/5/02 11:28:25 am)
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Re: Formatted
"NEW Theory on "comfortable" death positions."

The Death Sutra...

pagnstix 
out from the well
(11/5/02 11:32:04 am)
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Re: Formatted
becca didn't die because she never saw the tape. Samara couldn't even see her.
i think that this theory makes lots of sense... it' my new favorite!

_______
the exorcist will live in my mind forever.

Rachael
further down the Spiral
(11/5/02 11:41:10 am)
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Formatted
to take it one step further, once you are formatted by watching the tape, you become incompatible with other recording equipment-hence the blurry faces in photos and on the closed-circuit video camera....

Turtle God Kame
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(11/5/02 11:45:20 am)
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ah, the death sutra
heh, you get cursed and your privates get blurred! hahahaha

Go to Kame's House for assorted junk! Last upd8: 10/10/02

inteferon
further down the Spiral
(11/5/02 11:46:47 am)
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Re: Formatted
Oh I get it - the sessions with the shrink were attempts at...............head alignment!

Tokage
Sadako slave
(11/5/02 3:58:29 pm)
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Re: Formatted
I like this explanation!

That's yet another part of the whole "mutant smallpox virus" idea from the Japanese sequels that I didn't like-- if it's an organic virus that kills Sadako's victims, how does that explain the warped faces on film?

Edited by: Tokage at: 11/5/02 4:00:28 pm
SadakoIsEve
everyone will suffer
(11/5/02 4:03:55 pm)
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Re: Re: Formatted
Nope no way that makes sense

Kitano
the chosen infected
(11/5/02 4:49:48 pm)
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Re: Re: Formatted
The virus thing it's just on the original novels. In the japanese movies it's simply a curse, like in the remake.


In the novels, there are no warped faces, nor people coming out of TV's.:)

Edited by: Kitano at: 11/5/02 4:51:18 pm
SadakoIsEve
everyone will suffer
(11/5/02 6:10:32 pm)
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Re: Re: Re: Formatted
True

tenebrae99
citizen of the Loopworld
(11/5/02 10:37:19 pm)
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Re: Re: Re: Formatted
You know what? I like this theory. It gives the remake a bit more of its own identity, and it actually fits with both what we've seen and even the medium the curse/virus is transmitted through.

Man, if this doesn't help DVD sales even more...

JyPsy
citizen of the Loopworld
(11/5/02 11:54:54 pm)
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Re: Re: Re: Formatted
lol , unless people are too afraid to have that in their homes....

~JyPsy
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mycroftxxx
citizen of the Loopworld
(11/6/02 1:15:21 am)
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Hai!
I give this theory my HyperDork Seal of Approval. It has the same "resonance" as several other reasonable theories I've seen on the subject.

(For what it's worth) My theory was that death just wasn't instant. People moved around a little, ignoring Samara (essentially, once she's "in" a person, she's not visible), and tried to get comfortable to control (assumed) shaking and coughing up of water.


Is it just me, or is "psychosomatic drowning" just not as unpleasant a death as "to scared to self-defecate mind-killing terror"?

JyPsy
citizen of the Loopworld
(11/6/02 1:50:29 am)
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Re: Hai!
i think the drowning is worse, cause i think the scared part is also there!

~JyPsy
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Tokage
Sadako slave
(11/6/02 9:40:46 am)
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Re: The virus thing it's just on the original novels
Umm, what about the Rasen film?

Of course, everyone seems to be content with ignoring this version, as well as the medical virus-related goobledygook from the novels. So that's a good thing.

Kitano
the chosen infected
(11/6/02 10:23:56 am)
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Re: The virus thing it's just on the original novels
Oh, sorry. I was ignoring that too:b

The Rasen movie is a more huh, 'faithful' adaptation of the Rasen novel. Story-wise, I think. Not quality-wise. Because the Rasen novel is infact creepy, even with the virus plot. Besides, the existence of a virus in the whole story does not detract it from the horror at all. It's just a matter of doing it intelligently... that's all.

Edited by: Kitano at: 11/6/02 10:33:09 am
SadakoIsEve
the chosen infected
(11/6/02 12:50:54 pm)
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Re: Re: The virus thing it's just on the original novels
indeed

Kitano
the chosen infected
(11/6/02 12:52:26 pm)
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Re: Re: The virus thing it's just on the original novels
I like your style, SadakoIsEve...;)

SadakoIsEve
the chosen infected
(11/6/02 4:19:01 pm)
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Re: Re: Re: The virus thing it's just on the original novels
Anytime Kitano :)