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Emmerdale001
further down the Spiral
(11/25/02 3:41:42 am)
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My nightmares, your nightmares...
I'm just curious as to whether or not your dreams have been affected since viewing The Ring. I would have to say that for the most part mine have not except for one exceptionally disturbing event. I'll elaborate:

It started out normally enough. If I remember correctly, I was taking out the garbage, or I was going out for the night; it's still kind of blurry. Anyway, there's a carport to my house, and my mother's car is always in it. Mine is mostly outside. I was walking past my mother's car in the general direction of the street. It was night time, and the only light was a yellowish street light. For some reason I turn my head left and look down at my mother's car, and I saw what looked like either Samara or Katie's corpse kneeling down by the car in front of the driver side door. It looked like the position Katie was in when she died.

Of course, whatever it was, it was in the shadow of the car. I was momentarily shocked at first, but for like a quarter second more I tried to make it out. It looked like a cross between Samara and Katie. Then it quickly got up, and the last thing I saw was both its arms flying at me and the eyes, oh God, the eyes were like two small glowing--I wanna say--beads, a dim light-bluish color. I believe it was Samara more than Katie, but I can't be sure. I died.

Either way, I was jolted from my sleep, and it was real early in the morning when the sky starts turning blue. My tv was on. It was just static; I had fallen asleep and left it on a station that went off-air some time during the night, so it was probably showing static for hours, more than enough time for her to come out of the well.

I sat up in my bed, but when I looked towards the sliding doors of my closet, they were gone, and where my closet should be, there was just a black void, totally black, impenetrable darkness, and I saw the figure of Samara emerge from it in all her rotted glory. I was tormented; I didn't know what to think, and when I tried to get out of my bed, she just popped right in front of my bed. I saw her face, but it was much more grotesque than in the movie. I died.

That's when I woke up. It was the exact same situation: Very early morning, television on tuned to static. This time my closet was back to normal, none of the empty void or missing doors and, most importantly of all, no sign of Samara. I had about an hour or two I could have slept before getting up for classes, but I chose to stay awake. I had had a nightmare within a nightmare.

Now, care to share any of yours?

inteferon
everyone will suffer
(11/25/02 4:17:24 am)
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Re: My nightmares, your nightmares...
Damn! I got the heebie-jeebies reading that. I've had those dream-within-dream gigs before, but nothing (mercifully) that I can remember since seeing the movie. My 'nightmares' lately have been tame compared to yours. Mostly just weird, vivid surreal stuff. But I used to experience a lot of dream-paralysis situations (when you're actually dreaming, but you think you're awake, and for your life you can't move a muscle - and you 'know' there's something bad-ass creeping up on you). Well, that bad-ass thing has a new name now. :eek

StrangenessDSS
further down the Spiral
(11/25/02 4:48:02 am)
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Re: My nightmares, your nightmares...
I have a very high level of control over my dreams, so I haven't really had any nightmares for a while... aside from the fun ones. But just as I think about stuff from The Ring during my waking hours, I dream about it at times.

It also had the interesting side effect of making me scared of Metroids coming out of my TV, after playing Metroid Prime.

"Zebes has fallen. All ground personnel... killed by the Hunter clad in metal..." -Space Pirate log, Metroid Prime.

Rachael
citizen of the Loopworld
(11/25/02 8:09:02 am)
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nightmares
I suppose I would have nightmares if I could fall asleep.

I never sleep.

I think If I'd had your nightmare I would be at Eola right now, coloring and playing with blocks.

Lord Alakinsky
further down the Spiral
(11/25/02 9:27:08 am)
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I had a similar experience. I dreamt I was asleep and that I had to ise the bathroom. I was scared to get out of bed b/c I knew Samara/Sadako was outside the bedroom door waiting for me. But at the same time, I was telling myself it was all some stupid dream, that none of it was real. I finally convinced myself I was being stupid and got out of bed and opened the bedroom door. There was Sadako, her eye glaring at me in all it's vein-filled glory. I woke up with a start after feeling like I'd wet my pants and then I realized it was just a dream. It seemed SO real, though, that I just lay there in bed holding it rather than getting up to pee. Finally when my alram went off I jumped up, turned it off and then with my eyes closed I stumbled into the bathroom. Why were my eyes closed? Simple: if I can't see the monster that's supposed to jump out and scare me, it can't see me and try to scare me, can it? ;) but i nearly wet my bed cuz I had to go real bad!

O Deka K
citizen of the Loopworld
(11/25/02 10:27:16 am)
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Simple: if I can't see the monster that's supposed to jump out and scare me, it can't see me and try to scare me, can it?

You better wrap a towel around your head next time, just in case it doesn't notice that your eyes are closed. ;)

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Before you die... you GOTTA see The Ring!

Lord Alakinsky
further down the Spiral
(11/25/02 10:33:37 am)
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Re: Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal
I only do that AFTER the babelfish is in my ear. ;)

O Deka K
citizen of the Loopworld
(11/25/02 11:39:10 am)
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Re: Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal
You're one hoopy frood. >D

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rustonmire
shambler
(11/25/02 12:14:26 pm)
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How bout this....

that wake-dream state lying flat on my back in bed, but, like described before, unable to move... frozen in a dream panic. Out of the dark gray of the ceiling the apparition of Samara floating down toward me... her dank wet hair hanging down as she falls toward me. Her hair brushing my face ... the smell of mold and rot... Totally terrified as her fingers reach out..... ....

JPFeral
Sadako slave
(11/26/02 12:21:25 am)
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Dreams?
Dude, you have NO idea...

I've just recently started seeing a doctor for my sleep apnea. One of the side effects of getting treatment for sleep apnea is that I'm going into deep REM sleep for much longer periods of time... the result? More dreams.

In addition, I just started taking Effexor two weeks ago. A common side effect of Effexor? More vivid and bizarre dreams.

Recently, I've been dreaming all night and the dream-memories are coming back to me in snippets during the course of the day, and images from 'The Ring' are mixed in and altered by other random dream images...

It's as if I'm haunted during my waking day by my own personal visions of Samara.

It's kinda neat, actually.

InfluxDatum 
manipulator of the Virus
(11/26/02 12:24:43 am)
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Re: Dreams?
i had this dream once, i was running a marathon that just would not end. it kept going going and going. when i woke up, i was too tired to go to work. I wanted to get some rest away from the dream.


inteferon
everyone will suffer
(11/26/02 12:26:30 am)
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Re: Dreams?
Hee hee. That's why she never sleeps! - she'd scare herself to death.

KuraiSoma 
out from the well
(11/26/02 1:24:53 pm)
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Re: Dreams?
Hmm, only recent nightmare Ive had is as follows:

I was trying to stay asleep (a particular.. skill? of mine) while someone was outside banging on the door/window and my alarm was going off. I shut off my alarm, ignore the pounding and settle back to bed. (note, this was actually a dream.. however I thought it was real) Im blissfully sleeping, when suddenly I hear a screeching and something is prodding/groping/touching me all over.. Im wrapped in a blanket, with what feels like 20 'hands' bothering me. Then I (actually) woke up, still wrapped head to toe in my blanket.. afraid to peep out. My dreams as of late have been total day to day nonsense that I readily get confused with reality. Half of my mornings consist of asking my mother whether this or that really happened/was told to me. None of it has been. My next recent horror induced dream was after watching visible secret 2 (basic waste of time, honestly.. not very spooky or anything), I dreamt that I had just woken up and behind my bed was the ghost of the movie.

Now for some night terrors of the past, since this seems as good a time as any to remark on them. These nightmares are the reason that I stopped sleeping in my bedroom for a good year or two.. however, Im back in here and it doesnt seem to be happening anymore. The basic theme of a night terror is that you 'wake up' (who knows whether you really do or not) without the ability to move. However, your eyes are open and you can look around; theyre the one part of you that actually works. Anyways, getting to the actual 'dream'.

I would wake up (as forementioned, nearly totally paralyzed) with the distinct feeling that I wasn't alone. I would look around, and as my eyes began to focus (as much as they could, I wear glasses. I can make things out at a minor distance, but thats basically because of familiarity; if I didnt know what it was, its more or less a colorful blurry thing) I would realize there was someone standing in front of my bookcase (currently directly behind me; yes, I do have the urge to peek but I dont want to =x) with their back to me. From the long blonde hair and dress, I realize its a young girl (something like 4 feet tall, probably 10-12 years old) who happens to be giggling. At this point Im so disturbed, Im doing everything I can just to shake my head around. Instinctively trying to take my eyes off of her the only way I can. This happened several times, with the result of me finally awakening myself as my head thrashes around. Not a pretty way to wake up, as what happened before felt just as real. However, the dreams started to take a turn for the worse a good week or so after beginning; I always made it out, but I knew she was slowly turning towards me. Of course, she eventually did. (My eyes are tearing up as I right this, it was horrifying) She wore a pale pink dress, in some state of disrepair (likely dirty as can be, just.. it felt unclean) my eyes were drawn from her feet (bare) up to her face. Slowly, as my vision crests her chin I realize she's smiling. Not a pretty smile, gleeful but malicious; her nose like a button. I can now see her face in its entirety, and it feels as if she's staring back at me. Yet.. she had no eyes. They were simply dark pools of nothing. I immediatley woke upon realizing this. The next time it happened, it was all as it was before. Yet, she took a step towards me. I stopped sleeping in this room that very night. For nearly an entire year afterwards, I had that same feeling; yet there was a distance. I was a hallway away, in a room that shares a wall with this. I couldnt move, I couldnt yell for help; I knew she was in here, and she knew where I was as well. Things get odder from this point on, as I became aware of a middle aged woman watching over me as I slept. She appeared at the same time as the child, yet she held no malice; it felt as if she was trying to help me, to care for me. She had platinum hair, dissarayed with the hints of curls. She wore what looked to be a wedding dress, slightly moth eaten. In the dining room (directly where I faced while in bed) was what I can only assume was a man. It felt like a man, yet I was never able to see it's face. It would vanish from my sight before my eyes got above his waist. It looked as if it wore leather shoes; and had business slacks on, slate grey. I knew he was watching me; he wasnt threatening, but neither was he friendly. Just a watcher. The odd thing about him, was that he passed over into what were unmistakenly my waking hours. Even weirder, I 'saw' him often as I let my cats in. He would be standing a good 20 feet away, always in the same spot (empty, for the curious) and for some reason I knew he had a coat on. Brown wool, trenchcoat cut. He had something in his hand, waist level.. I honestly cant say if it was an umbrella or a briefcase; it couldve been both or neither. When he was outside, I couldn't 'feel' if he was watching me or my cats. Anyways, all three of them inhabbited my nightmares for quite a while. I knew the woman was trying to help me, and the child was trying to get to me (who knows what she would do, but it wouldnt be nice). Sometimes I woke with covers over my head, yet I still knew they were there. The man wasn't always with them (maybe he was out with my cats, lol). As the 'dream' grew, the woman gave off more and more of a feeling of urgency. Coincedentally, I felt the child coming closer and closer. Finally, I felt as if she had left my room and was coming through the hallway. I 'saw' the woman flash from her normal spot (by the front door, slightly behind me) directly into what I knew to be the path of the child. I woke the minute I could; curiosity had me in its grasp, and I rushed to my bedroom. The hall light had blown out, and my door was standing open. My door is never open, whether Im in the room or not. (paranoia mixed with nosy cats) I remember it vividly to this day, yet I havent had a single sign of any of their presences.

Was this real? I can't say that I definatley would like to know. With the man leaking over into my concious hours, Im either insane or there are definatley things that we cannot yet explain in this world.

sinsincere
out from the well
(11/26/02 1:41:52 pm)
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Aaahhh! I've gotten frightened just by reading these dreams. I don't usually dream that much, and when I do, they haven't been nightmares. I can remember maybe one or two cases of that thing that was mentioned... you know, when you're sure you're awake, but you can't move, and you try everything you can to move or... something will happen. I never know what it is, but usually it's some kind of noise that screeches in my head. Probably why I'm so bothered by sounds like the fire alarm, that screechy kind of distorted-static sound from the Ring, and even our door buzzer. o_O;

I know this doesn't sound as scary as the dreams described here, but it's usually enough to put me into a panic for the rest of the day. >_> You probably don't want to know about the time I wanted to run out of our apartment and down the hall wailing my head off...

___

sin with sincerity.

inteferon
everyone will suffer
(11/26/02 1:42:03 pm)
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KuraiSoma, that IS creepy. Perhaps the Ring movies were made with dreamers just like us in mind. From the preceding, it seems that quite a few people experience dream paralysis. To head it off, here's what I used to do:

It only occurred when I went to sleep on my back. Within a few minutes of lying down, while still semi-conscious(?), I would feel a tingling in my extremities that would spread (seemingly) to the very core of my arms and legs. Sometimes I could detect it just starting out, shift to my side, and it wouldn't take hold. But when I didn't abort fast enough and 'knew' that I had reached the point of no return, the terror would progressively mount and I was hooped for the duration of the experience. My more reliable solution was to sleep on my stomach for the next few years and that solved it.

Not too long ago, I decided, for a masochistic thrill, to attempt to experience this again by deliberately drifting off on my back. Nothing. It's gone. Maybe it's the headspace that I was in during that period. Anyhow, not a pleasant thing when it happens - as so many of you seem to have discovered.

KuraiSoma 
out from the well
(11/26/02 1:56:59 pm)
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Inteferon, I know exactly what youre talking about. It happened to me during the same period that the actual nightmares took place, only difference being that it started about just as I was drifting into sleep. As you said, I knew what was happening and I couldn't do a thing about it; the fear being further heightened by my perception that it was brought about by these 'dream' entities. Odd how I slept on my back at that time as well (I believe it was so nothing could 'sneak up' on me as I lay in bed..now I face the wall and huddle into it. Have I given up?), however I still nod off watching tv laying more or less on my back, head up a bit; hasnt happened ever again. (thank god.)

O Deka K
citizen of the Loopworld
(11/26/02 2:34:57 pm)
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I used to have a big interest in lucid dreams (dreams where you know that you're dreaming and you can control it). I still do, but I sleep much less now then before I got my job and can't really do it anymore. Right now my dreams are indistinct and instantly forgettable. Anyways, I've had various experiences entering lucid dreams, but this is how it most often happened:

I would wake up in the morning and lie there in bed for a while. Sometimes (I couldn't control it), I would get this warm, tingly feeling that rushed up my body, from my toes to my head. It would happen every few seconds. If I concentrated, I could "catch" the feeling and amplify it. If I did that, then I would drift off to sleep.

However, I was aware of myself "falling asleep". My vision would sink into pure blackness, and I would feel a cold shiver throughout my body. The first time it happened, I was a little scared, but eventually I got used to it. I would stay in this state for a little while.

Next, I would open my eyes. When I did, I would find myself in my room, except that I'm paralysed. Having read about sleep paralysis, I knew it was quite natural and so I wasn't scared. I could look around and see my room, but I couldn't move. In order to get out of this state, I had to disassociate my "dream body" from my "real" body (since I WAS actually asleep). I couldn't lift my arms or legs, but I could very slowly twist my way out of my bed. As soon as my feet hit the floor, I was mobile again.

From then on, I could go and explore my dream world. Sometimes I could walk through walls, and other times I could fly. Unfortunately, I could never sustain it for more than a few minutes before either waking up or losing lucidity.

I wanted to describe that so I could say that sleep paralysis is not always something scary, and that for me, it means the beginning of a wonderful lucid dream.

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Before you die... you GOTTA see The Ring!

Emmerdale001
further down the Spiral
(11/26/02 2:35:10 pm)
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Sleep paralysis is a natural part of the sleep cycle. It is not mentioned much by many or noted as anything significant because it happens when the person is deep in sleep. The only time it really becomes obvious is when the person's sleep patterns have become disturbed just enough to bring him back but not enough to fully wake him and thus cast off the paralysis. The person's mind may be awake or on the verge of trying to wake, but the body is still in sleep mode. Whenever there is a schism like this between a person's mind and his body, that's when paralysis becomes noticeable.

I have had nightmares that have jolted me enough to wake up but not nearly enough to wake up entirely. I can remember desperately trying to keep my eyes open even though they feel like lead. Trying to move my body is, for the most part, useless. I fight to keep my eyes open because I fear I would slip back into the nightmare if I let myself fall away.

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The hall light had blown out, and my door was standing open. My door is never open, whether Im in the room or not. (paranoia mixed with nosy cats) I remember it vividly to this day, yet I havent had a single sign of any of their presences.

Was this real? I can't say that I definatley would like to know. With the man leaking over into my concious hours, Im either insane or there are definatley things that we cannot yet explain in this world.


What you said right here is very, very interesting. I was wondering if you could provide a little more information about your situation. Do you know the history of the house you live in? Do you recall anything noticeable being mentioned about your house? By this, I mean has something bad happened in your home or have people died in your home? No one else in the household has noticed anything strange? Of course, I could be totally wrong, but what you mentioned would warrant at least a cursory search into the history of your home, if not for curiosity's sake.

I don't know what your situation is. It could be the house you are living in. It could even be you, yourself. You might even be some sort of beacon that attracts them. I don't know. At this point it is all speculation on my part...

Edited by: Emmerdale001 at: 11/26/02 2:51:03 pm
StrangenessDSS
further down the Spiral
(11/26/02 2:43:41 pm)
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I've only experienced that sleep paralysis once that I can remember. It's truly an interesting feeling.

"Zebes has fallen. All ground personnel... killed by the Hunter clad in metal..." -Space Pirate log, Metroid Prime.

Felix Underhill
manipulator of the Virus
(11/26/02 2:55:26 pm)
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I've been trying to search for Sadako and/or Samara in my dreams. The closest that I got was a couple of nights ago. I recall seeing a group of people. I got a feeling that one that was in a wheelchair was Samara. The strange thing was that I couldn't see the person in the wheelchair even though I was facing it directly. It seemed to be some funky design. Now that I think about it, it may have been well-shaped. :eek Later on, the person came out, but it was some woman with short red hair. Oh, well. :( I also recall at some point (not sure if before or after the above) I was trying to find where Samara's body was. I kept asking out loud, but no one answered. I'll keep searching, though. ;)

Sadako's Apprentice

inteferon
everyone will suffer
(11/26/02 3:39:17 pm)
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Dream control
Emmerdale, itís interesting that you didnít have unpleasant experiences around dream paralysis. I used to be heavily into lucid dreaming as a teen but forget now the sensations prior to their commencement. I did achieve dream flying once and recall it to be one of the most exhilarating experiences ever. For those interested, Carlos Castaneda has some interesting thoughts on achieving (his brand of) enlightenment through dream control in Journey to Ixlan, et al (with or without the use of psychotropics, heh).

Felix, sounds like you're playing with a loaded gun by actively seeking out Sads. That you have not yet been fully successful may be because you're not yet fully ready. You've got bigger cajones than me! :eek

miharu
the chosen infected
(11/26/02 3:50:11 pm)
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i'd love to meet Sads in a dream.. that's Sads, the band, not our dear Sadako or Sammypants ;p

i have a couple of ring dreams i've been having lately to post about, but i need to gather my thoughts about them. all i can really say is that they get very videodrome in nature ^^;

-miharu

Isoline
out from the well
(11/26/02 6:47:10 pm)
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That is really interesting. I rarely remember my dreams let alone nightmares. I usually don't have bad dreams while I am sleeping and thanks to a live in girlfriend I rarely am alone at night. However when I was, I used to be fairly nervous about sleeping in the dark with the door ajar. As mentioned in another post, I get sorta spooked by people looking through door crack at me. I also used to have this strange dream about some cyclops with a plastic whiffle bat comming in when it was totally dark and beating me mercilously about the head and neck.

You say psycho like its a bad thing!

HotShot2387
further down the Spiral
(11/26/02 7:58:50 pm)
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ha, this is very interesting since this can actually compared with psychicness. I've heard that when your're sleeping, but not in a deep sleep, you can remote view which is like mind reading except different. Anyways, I figure that once you can control your dreams you are in a deep enuf mind set to do this remote viewing. I never KNOW when I am in this state, which makes it hard, but yeah

A pic will be here soon. hehe cant wait

Felix Underhill
manipulator of the Virus
(11/26/02 8:17:56 pm)
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Edited by: Felix Underhill at: 11/26/02 8:25:47 pm
Felix Underhill
manipulator of the Virus
(11/26/02 8:21:28 pm)
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inteferon stated: "Felix, sounds like you're playing with a loaded gun by actively seeking out Sads. That you have not yet been fully successful may be because you're not yet fully ready. You've got bigger cajones than me! :eek "

Which means that I will find her only when I am ready. And then, who knows...

Sadako's Apprentice

Edited by: Felix Underhill at: 11/26/02 8:26:43 pm
Chon Niso
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(11/29/02 8:26:39 pm)
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Well, not to make anyone jealous but I can say I had a dream with Samara in it. (To bad, I was sorta hoping for Sadako, but beggars cant be choosers).

I frequently remember my dreams, and I don't recall to many nightmares. In fact, the dream with Samara wasn't a nightmare either, it was more like something I would do everyday :) .

In the dream I basically had about 10 or so people over. We were all hanging out in the basement, sure it SOUNDS bad, but our basement is a revamped fun room. Large TV, all the computers in my house, DVD, Couches and a Bed, and the room is huge as well. We were just hanging out down there and Samara was among my group of friends.

If I recall she was sitting on my bed watching me and my cousin play some sort of video game. While me and my friends chatted with each other normally she didn't really get TO involved, and when she did talk she didn't move her mouth, she spoke in yer head. We didn't think twice about it though, it was like a natural thing, we took it as if she was talking normal. No hostility or evil was comming off her or anything, she was just a part of the crowd who came over my house to have a good time ^_^;;.

ISure, its not a nightmare but hey, its a Ring related dream... sorta :P

Emmerdale001
further down the Spiral
(11/29/02 9:45:42 pm)
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You guys are gutsy to be actively wanting a figure like Samara in your dreams. I wasn't thinking about having Samara in my dreams. She came to me in my nightmares, and look where that went. I died twice, and then I was left questioning whether I was actually awake or asleep. That, in my opinion, is pretty damn scary. If you guys want her, be my guest. I wish you the best of luck. :)

"...And after seven days...." - Becca, The Ring

Huw Lines
the chosen infected
(11/30/02 3:32:02 am)
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I've had lucid dreams before, including a couple in which I can fly, and I agree with Inteferon that it's an exhilarating experience. I haven't had a lucid dream for a while now, but I dream vividly every night without exception, really , really wild stuff sometimes. I did have one dream a few months ago featuring Sadako, and was going to post about it, but didn't because I thought my fellow ringworms may find me a little strange...after reading some of the posts on this thread, I wish I had!