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Hackermon 
Sadako slave
(12/2/02 5:18:52 pm)
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Lovecraft Ring
After looking all over to see if this was discussed, I saw that it's now safe to bring up my thoughts on Samara's origins.

One of Lovecraft's themes (from 'Dunwich Horror' and 'Shadow over Innsmouth', also used by other authors) is one who has inhuman parentage. I believe that quite a few have brought up the theory about Richard not being the biologial father and perhaps a 'deal with the devil' was made at some point. And there is the matter of Nyarlathotep's 'Million Favored Ones'.

In Ramsey Campbell's 'Cold Print', a entiy is described that only attacks or recruits those that know about it. The cursed tape could work in the same way.

Saa, I'm still suffering from sleep deprivation....

mikejonas
moderator
(12/2/02 5:26:16 pm)
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Re: Lovecraft Ring
Nothing for me to add to this thread, really, but thanks for taking the time to wade through the posts to see if someone's posted about this before. I do recall the Lovecraft connection being discussed in-depth in the past, but I think it was so long ago (before the remake's premiere, even) that the thread must've fallen off the forum.

Huw Lines
the chosen infected
(12/3/02 12:47:19 am)
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Re: Lovecraft Ring
Yes, I think the Lovecraft thread is probably lost in virtual limbo by now. There are possible connections between Lovecraft's ideas (though he didn't invent the themes) and also traditional ghost stories (both western and eastern) by authors such as M.R. James. I'm not sure if the film-makers consciously intended any such references, though. Maybe it's mentioned in one of the interviews with Nakata Hideo or Suzuki Koji.

It's nice to find someone else who's read Ramsey Campbell's work. Campbell himself has praised Ringu on numerous occassions, calling it the most successful reworking of the classic ghost in recent movie history.

SamaraSawMe EP
Sadako slave
(12/4/02 2:04:58 am)
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Re: Lovecraft Ring
Ramsey Campell...

great work...

Huw Lines
the chosen infected
(12/4/02 2:54:50 am)
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Re: Lovecraft Ring
Oops, missed a word there...I meant classic ghost story.

Ramsey Campbell is one of the few writers who started out (in his early teens) by imitating Lovecraft. M.R. James, Arthur Machen, and others and subsequently found his own highly distinctive and successful style of writing. At its best his fiction is among the most powerful anywhere in the horror genre, past and present. If you like his work, be sure to try Robert Aickman, one of Campbell's mentors. Among superntural fiction enthusiasts, Aickman is (deservedly) considered something of a deity.

Aliasi Sudonomo
Sadako slave
(12/4/02 2:58:41 am)
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Re: Lovecraft Ring
Also, while this is more closely related to Sadako in Ringu, both of their "inhuman" forms bear a resemblance to a Deep One or certain inhabitants of Innsmouth...