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teth evo
manipulator of the Virus
(10/15/02 8:58:34 pm)
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Is Samara from Japan?
I don't know if we've covered this already...but since the name can be pronounced in Japanese and the fact that there was a document in Japanese with the name Anna on it, did Anna get her from Japan? If so, what is the significance? (that...Japan has a lot of long-haired freaky girls with psychic power?)

-teth

between
out from the well
(10/15/02 9:07:02 pm)
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damn Japan and their legion of Sadakos!!!!!

の上に, の間で, 以下に

Gibal Sandwich
manipulator of the Virus
(10/15/02 10:50:51 pm)
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Well Brazil have the largest amount of Herms - i know that much.....

Goddam this forum - keepin me up like this.....

Ligions of long haired herms?? Sounds like im already dreamin 8o

How strange - i never use those Emoticons and there so pretty.

From Japan? They most likely do something to relate to Japan or just to get a post on this bored - they love it really!!

miharu
citizen of the Loopworld
(10/16/02 1:31:53 am)
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Samara is actually a name of Hebrew origin.. I posted a big ol info thing on the meaning of the US names in another post around here...

So, I'd say.. no, Samara is not from Japan. ;p

-miharu

Turtle God Kame
shizuko's love child
(10/16/02 10:49:31 am)
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oi vei!!!

Go to Kame's House for assorted junk! Last upd8: 7/08/02

Chris B
shambler
(10/16/02 11:31:06 am)
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Answer, and hello
Samara was born to her mother Sara, not adopted (that was the misconception), thought to be concieved while on a trip out of the country.

That of course doesn't mean that Sara's husband was the father, but that is another issue entirely.

I am still trying to determine the significance of the page of Kanji script that is found in her records, because I really don't think that mystery is revealed in the film (I don't think there is any correlation to the original in this aspect). Of course, I may be way off base.

Oh yeah, and BTW hello everyone - I'm a newbie. Yes ::looks shameful:: I did see the American re-make first. But, the story intrigued me so much that I went out the next night and rented the original. I really don't have the time to write out a comparison, but I can say that I enjoyed both films and can count them among my favorites. I do think the original is more frightening. What makes it one of the most frightening movies ever is the emotional burden, and psychological impact. Simply a beautiful film.

mikejonas
manipulator of the Virus
(10/16/02 12:05:39 pm)
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Welcome to Chris B

...and a little nitpick: Samara's mother's name is Anna, not Sara.

This is what it says regarding Samara's origin on the Morgan Ranch site, in a document that's supposed to be a psychiatric analysis of Samara prior to her release from Eola:

"Family traveled to Europe, where with the help of specialist mom was able to conceive."

If this is true (and there's nothing to say that it is, the Morgans having been so secretive), this goes against the supposition that people have been making (based on the island doctor's statements in the film) that Samara was adopted...we may have misinterpreted the doctor, in thinking the Morgans left the island only for a little while and came back with Samara, when they were apparently gone for a long enough time to conceive and give birth to her.

The paper with Japanese writing on it is intriguing; perhaps one of the more Japanese-savvy group members can navigate their way to it (it's a slide on the official website's "game") and translate what they can of it.

Lithium
citizen of the Loopworld
(10/16/02 12:07:28 pm)
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Re: Answer, and hello
I caught that too... they showed a birth record, but the idea that it was faked was just TOO convuluted. I took it as meaning that she WAS born to Anna. And they didn't hint anything supernatural about the father either. Also when her father mentioned something about "she wasn't meant to have that child", it sounded like she HAD Samara herself.

I didn't get it from the movie, but from the pre-release documentation (newspaper clippings, etc) I got the impression that she had tried doctors in the US but miscarried each time, and went overseas to an undisclosed doctor and carried to term this time. I think they were hinting that some things were never meant to be, but were forced anyway.

Chris B
shambler
(10/16/02 12:55:29 pm)
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Re: Answer and hello
Thank you for the correction - not sure where my brain is sometimes.

I didn't get a chance to check out the pre-release material, I wanted to distance myself from all hype and what-not, though I'd like to check it out now.

The more I think about it, I really don't believe that Mr. Morgan is Samara's father. When the family docter eludes to the trip abroad, she is really sketchy about the details, and you get the impression that Mr. Morgan never liked his daughter at all, even before she started driving his wife (and everyone else on the island) nuts. This leaves the father open to be anyone, possibly even some sort of evil.

Just my take on seeing the film once. I'm going to see it again when it officially opens this weekend and pay more attention to the details this time to see if I can pick it up. Though it may be that it was purposely left open, which I would really prefer.

mikejonas
manipulator of the Virus
(10/16/02 1:19:15 pm)
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Re: Answer and hello
Quote:
The more I think about it, I really don't believe that Mr. Morgan is Samara's father. When the family docter eludes to the trip abroad, she is really sketchy about the details, and you get the impression that Mr. Morgan never liked his daughter at all, even before she started driving his wife (and everyone else on the island) nuts. This leaves the father open to be anyone, possibly even some sort of evil.


Which harkens back to the original Ring trilogy, which also posits that theory.

Lithium
citizen of the Loopworld
(10/16/02 1:33:21 pm)
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Re: Answer and hello
Dunno, it's possible. But, one of the few things I DID like more in the new movie is that half the cast wasn't psychic, and except for Samara herself there wasn't much supernatural going on... made it more realistic. One of my only real turnoffs about the original was that they played up the whole psychic thing (which is standard for Japanese stories it seems). In this one it was somewhat questionable that maybe Aiden was a little... unusual... but other than that everyone else was perfectly normal. Also they didn't allude (that I really noticed) to Samara being the spawn of a demon... she was just sort of a violation of nature. To me that's scarier because it's more believable. That's just opinion though, and you can't make everyone happy...

Isoline
shambler
(10/16/02 9:41:29 pm)
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> Re: Answer and hello
If anyone wants that particular SWF file, (the one with the japanese characters) you can e-mail me at JamesAE@comcast.net and I will send it to you. From there you can view it with swiff player or some other swf. file viewer.

SadakoIsEve
Sadako slave
(10/27/02 4:38:41 pm)
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I agree with you Lithium. One thing though that makes me wonder is why they chose such odd names as Samara and Aiden and Noah for names. Noah I guess is already but and I don't mind this as bad but sterotypeing American names would be more like Sarah or Sondra for the girl ghost. Maybe Hollywood didn't want stereotype. I can't imagine any parent in 1980s or 90s nameing their kid Aiden. 1880s and 90s sure but well I guess I am wasteing your time with my mumbling. Sorry

miharu
citizen of the Loopworld
(10/27/02 6:30:17 pm)
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Aidan is an Irish name, and it's more common than you might think. I actually know three of them, of varying ages (none of them over 20).
Noah isn't quite that uncommon, either, especially for the character's age. quoted from rhyme.lycos.com: A male given name (common: 1 in 4545 males; popularity rank in the U.S.: #458)
As for the other names, I posted a while back about the meanings of the names. I'll post that below.

.: Name Meanings
US Ring
Samara: (Hebrew) ruled by God
Anna: (English, etc) graceful : Latinate form of (Hebrew) Hannah.
Morgan (as a surname): (Welsh) from the edge of the sea
Morgan (the horse breed): is easily recognized by his proud carriage, upright graceful neck, and distinctive head with expressive eyes. The Morgan horse agreeably adapts to his owner's life style.

I found the Morgan horse breed information a while back when I was trying to remember the url to themorganranch.com, and wasn't terribly surprised to find that Morgan horses are brown and -surprise- look just like the horses in the US Ring trailer and 'cursed video.'

Japanese Ring (kanji in shift-JIS code)
Sadako 貞子: Righteous/chaste child (for those that have seen the Japanese movie, the first kanji, 貞, is what you see in the eye in the cursed video)
Shizuko 志津子: motive/intent + haven + child
Yamamura 山村: Mountain village

Definitions of Samara:
noun: a winged often one-seed indehiscent fruit as of the ash or elm or maple
name: A female given name (rare: 1 in 50000 females; popularity rank in the U.S.: #2441)
name: A surname (very rare: popularity rank in the U.S.: #78802)

The tree in the remake was indeed a Japanese maple.

Definitions of Morgan: (I left in the results that seemed relevant to The Ring)
noun: an American breed of small compact saddle horses
noun: American biologist who formulated the chromosome theory of heredity (1866-1945)
name: A surname (very common: 1 in 847 families; popularity rank in the U.S.: #57)

-miharu

she never sleeps...

SadakoIsEve
Sadako slave
(10/27/02 6:36:11 pm)
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Okay thanks

Isoline
shambler
(10/28/02 2:10:51 am)
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Well, when it comes to Samara, I willing to believe almost anything. My two current theories are...

1. She is a in vitro fertilized child, with extrodinary psychic abilities due to her genetic lineage. Perhaps the chinese language paper had something to do with "awakening her powers" dunno yet.

2. She is a damned conception, as opposed to a divine conception and thought the Morgans thought they were getting medical help abroad, it turned out that metaphysical help was what took place. Again, perhaps the chinese language paper had something to do with it.
Dunno about this one either

BTW, the paper with the mistaken japanese characters is actually a chinese prescription for what looks like a internal cleansing tea. I'm still trying to find references to exactly what this teas functionality is, but it looks like Mrs. Morgan was given this to aid her in conceiving. We may never know.

SadakoIsEve
further down the Spiral
(10/28/02 11:02:18 am)
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But I am sure glad to hear those two cents Isoline

Great Horror
scion of the Ring
(10/28/02 11:05:02 am)
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Sadako Loves You All!

Before you die, you see...The Ring.

Syxxxxxx
Sadako slave
(10/28/02 5:51:19 pm)
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Re: Sadako Loves You All!
I think that Samara was conceived ala "Rosemary's Baby". Either that, or that doctor that she went to see gave her some pretty @#%$ up fertility drugs. The fact that Mr. Morgan says, "I don't have a daughter" and "She was never supposed to have that child" pretty much bottom lines it. Two normal people won't breed psycho-kinetic hellspawn.

Edited by: Syxxxxxx at: 10/28/02 5:51:41 pm
SadakoIsEve
further down the Spiral
(10/28/02 5:58:47 pm)
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Re: Re: Sadako Loves You All!
Pychokenetic yes. Hellspawn no. Thus she had normal parents of Richard and Anne in my humble opnion.

Syxxxxxx
Sadako slave
(10/28/02 6:05:38 pm)
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Re: Re: Sadako Loves You All!
I disagree. If you can manifest yourself beyond the grave, that goes way beyond psychokinesis.

Edited by: Syxxxxxx at: 10/28/02 6:06:29 pm
SadakoIsEve
further down the Spiral
(10/28/02 6:08:33 pm)
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Nensha. Besides you are no expert on ghosts nor am I

Syxxxxxx
Sadako slave
(10/28/02 6:12:03 pm)
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Re: Is Samara from Japan?
If she was strictly psychokinetic then she would cease to be able to use her powers when the brain died. But she can still mess with people's minds from beyond the grave. Therefore, she is not of this world.

SadakoIsEve
further down the Spiral
(10/28/02 6:18:10 pm)
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You can ignore me if you want, you can accept it, you can hate the mystery, or you can hope sequel answers but for me nensha + unfinished business = back from the grave. Notice how the husband and wife really had to dig around to get information that the Morgans even HAD a daughter. Being killed by your mom at eight years old would probably leave you as a ghost in my opnion. Richard wants to deny ever haveing a daughter *blink*

Pauldoe
Sadako slave
(10/28/02 6:35:24 pm)
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Re: Re: Is Samara from Japan?
Yeah, I agree....ghost.
Cheers,
P'doe

Edited by: Pauldoe  at: 11/8/02 11:40:49 pm