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teth
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manipulator of the
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(10/15/02 8:58:34
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Is Samara from
Japan?
I don't know if we've covered this already...but since the name can
be pronounced in Japanese and the fact that there was a document in
Japanese with the name Anna on it, did Anna get her from Japan? If
so, what is the significance? (that...Japan has a lot of long-haired
freaky girls with psychic power?)
-teth |
between
out from the well
(10/15/02 9:07:02 pm)
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damn Japan and their legion of Sadakos!!!!!
の上に, の間で,
以下に |
Gibal
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manipulator of the
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(10/15/02 10:50:51
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Re: ...
Well Brazil have the largest amount of Herms - i know that
much.....
Goddam this forum - keepin me up like
this.....
Ligions of long haired herms?? Sounds like im
already dreamin 
How strange - i never use those Emoticons and there so
pretty.
From Japan? They most likely do something to relate
to Japan or just to get a post on this bored - they love it really!!
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miharu
citizen of the Loopworld
(10/16/02 1:31:53 am)
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Samara is actually a name of Hebrew origin.. I posted a big ol info
thing on the meaning of the US names in another post around
here...
So, I'd say.. no, Samara is not from Japan.
;p
-miharu
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(10/16/02 10:49:31
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Chris
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(10/16/02 11:31:06 am)
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Answer, and
hello
Samara was born to her mother Sara, not adopted (that was the
misconception), thought to be concieved while on a trip out of the
country.
That of course doesn't mean that Sara's husband was
the father, but that is another issue entirely.
I am still
trying to determine the significance of the page of Kanji script
that is found in her records, because I really don't think that
mystery is revealed in the film (I don't think there is any
correlation to the original in this aspect). Of course, I may be way
off base.
Oh yeah, and BTW hello everyone - I'm a newbie. Yes
::looks shameful:: I did see the American re-make first. But, the
story intrigued me so much that I went out the next night and rented
the original. I really don't have the time to write out a
comparison, but I can say that I enjoyed both films and can count
them among my favorites. I do think the original is more
frightening. What makes it one of the most frightening movies ever
is the emotional burden, and psychological impact. Simply a
beautiful film.
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mikejonas
manipulator of the Virus
(10/16/02 12:05:39 pm)
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Welcome to Chris
B
...and a little nitpick: Samara's mother's name is Anna, not
Sara.
This is what it says regarding Samara's origin on the
Morgan Ranch site, in a document that's supposed to be a psychiatric
analysis of Samara prior to her release from Eola:
"Family
traveled to Europe, where with the help of specialist mom was able
to conceive."
If this is true (and there's nothing to say
that it is, the Morgans having been so secretive), this goes against
the supposition that people have been making (based on the island
doctor's statements in the film) that Samara was adopted...we may
have misinterpreted the doctor, in thinking the Morgans left the
island only for a little while and came back with Samara, when they
were apparently gone for a long enough time to conceive and give
birth to her.
The paper with Japanese writing on it is
intriguing; perhaps one of the more Japanese-savvy group members can
navigate their way to it (it's a slide on the official website's
"game") and translate what they can of it.
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Lithium
citizen of the Loopworld
(10/16/02 12:07:28 pm)
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Re: Answer, and
hello
I caught that too... they showed a birth record, but the idea that
it was faked was just TOO convuluted. I took it as meaning that she
WAS born to Anna. And they didn't hint anything supernatural about
the father either. Also when her father mentioned something about
"she wasn't meant to have that child", it sounded like she HAD
Samara herself.
I didn't get it from the movie, but from the
pre-release documentation (newspaper clippings, etc) I got the
impression that she had tried doctors in the US but miscarried each
time, and went overseas to an undisclosed doctor and carried to term
this time. I think they were hinting that some things were never
meant to be, but were forced anyway.
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Chris
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(10/16/02 12:55:29 pm)
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Re: Answer and
hello
Thank you for the correction - not sure where my brain is
sometimes.
I didn't get a chance to check out the pre-release
material, I wanted to distance myself from all hype and what-not,
though I'd like to check it out now.
The more I think about
it, I really don't believe that Mr. Morgan is Samara's father. When
the family docter eludes to the trip abroad, she is really sketchy
about the details, and you get the impression that Mr. Morgan never
liked his daughter at all, even before she started driving his wife
(and everyone else on the island) nuts. This leaves the father open
to be anyone, possibly even some sort of evil.
Just my take
on seeing the film once. I'm going to see it again when it
officially opens this weekend and pay more attention to the details
this time to see if I can pick it up. Though it may be that it was
purposely left open, which I would really prefer.
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mikejonas
manipulator of the Virus
(10/16/02 1:19:15 pm)
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Re: Answer and
hello
Quote:
The more I think about it, I really don't believe that Mr. Morgan
is Samara's father. When the family docter eludes to the trip
abroad, she is really sketchy about the details, and you get the
impression that Mr. Morgan never liked his daughter at all, even
before she started driving his wife (and everyone else on the
island) nuts. This leaves the father open to be anyone, possibly
even some sort of evil.
Which harkens back to
the original Ring trilogy, which also posits that theory.
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Lithium
citizen of the Loopworld
(10/16/02 1:33:21 pm)
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Re: Answer and
hello
Dunno, it's possible. But, one of the few things I DID like more in
the new movie is that half the cast wasn't psychic, and except for
Samara herself there wasn't much supernatural going on... made it
more realistic. One of my only real turnoffs about the original was
that they played up the whole psychic thing (which is standard for
Japanese stories it seems). In this one it was somewhat questionable
that maybe Aiden was a little... unusual... but other than that
everyone else was perfectly normal. Also they didn't allude (that I
really noticed) to Samara being the spawn of a demon... she was just
sort of a violation of nature. To me that's scarier because it's
more believable. That's just opinion though, and you can't make
everyone happy...
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Isoline
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(10/16/02
9:41:29 pm)
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> Re: Answer
and hello
If anyone wants that particular SWF file, (the one with the
japanese characters) you can e-mail me at JamesAE@comcast.net and I
will send it to you. From there you can view it with swiff player or
some other swf. file viewer.
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SadakoIsEve
Sadako slave
(10/27/02
4:38:41 pm)
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Re Re: Answer
and hello
I agree with you Lithium. One thing though that makes me wonder is
why they chose such odd names as Samara and Aiden and Noah for
names. Noah I guess is already but and I don't mind this as bad but
sterotypeing American names would be more like Sarah or Sondra for
the girl ghost. Maybe Hollywood didn't want stereotype. I can't
imagine any parent in 1980s or 90s nameing their kid Aiden. 1880s
and 90s sure but well I guess I am wasteing your time with my
mumbling. Sorry
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miharu
citizen of the Loopworld
(10/27/02 6:30:17 pm)
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Answer and hello
Aidan is an Irish name, and it's more common than you might think.
I actually know three of them, of varying ages (none of them over
20).
Noah isn't quite that uncommon, either, especially for the
character's age. quoted from rhyme.lycos.com: A male given name
(common: 1 in 4545 males; popularity rank in the U.S.: #458)
As
for the other names, I posted a while back about the meanings of the
names. I'll post that below.
.: Name Meanings
US Ring
Samara: (Hebrew) ruled by God
Anna: (English, etc) graceful
: Latinate form of (Hebrew) Hannah.
Morgan (as a surname):
(Welsh) from the edge of the sea
Morgan (the horse breed): is
easily recognized by his proud carriage, upright graceful neck, and
distinctive head with expressive eyes. The Morgan horse agreeably
adapts to his owner's life style.
I found the Morgan horse
breed information a while back when I was trying to remember the url
to themorganranch.com, and wasn't terribly surprised to find that
Morgan horses are brown and -surprise- look just like the horses in
the US Ring trailer and 'cursed video.'
Japanese Ring (kanji
in shift-JIS code)
Sadako 貞子: Righteous/chaste child (for
those that have seen the Japanese movie, the first kanji, 貞, is
what you see in the eye in the cursed video)
Shizuko 志津子:
motive/intent + haven + child
Yamamura 山村: Mountain village
Definitions of Samara:
noun: a winged often one-seed
indehiscent fruit as of the ash or elm or maple
name: A female
given name (rare: 1 in 50000 females; popularity rank in the U.S.:
#2441)
name: A surname (very rare: popularity rank in the U.S.:
#78802)
The tree in the remake was indeed a Japanese
maple.
Definitions of Morgan: (I left in the results that
seemed relevant to The Ring)
noun: an American breed of small
compact saddle horses
noun: American biologist who formulated
the chromosome theory of heredity (1866-1945)
name: A surname
(very common: 1 in 847 families; popularity rank in the U.S.:
#57)
-miharu
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SadakoIsEve
Sadako slave
(10/27/02
6:36:11 pm)
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Answer and hello
Okay thanks
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Isoline
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(10/28/02
2:10:51 am)
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Answer and hello
Well, when it comes to Samara, I willing to believe almost
anything. My two current theories are...
1. She is a in vitro
fertilized child, with extrodinary psychic abilities due to her
genetic lineage. Perhaps the chinese language paper had something to
do with "awakening her powers" dunno yet.
2. She is a damned
conception, as opposed to a divine conception and thought the
Morgans thought they were getting medical help abroad, it turned out
that metaphysical help was what took place. Again, perhaps the
chinese language paper had something to do with it.
Dunno about
this one either
BTW, the paper with the mistaken japanese
characters is actually a chinese prescription for what looks like a
internal cleansing tea. I'm still trying to find references to
exactly what this teas functionality is, but it looks like Mrs.
Morgan was given this to aid her in conceiving. We may never know.
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SadakoIsEve
further down the Spiral
(10/28/02 11:02:18 am)
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Answer and hello
But I am sure glad to hear those two cents Isoline
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Great
Horror
scion of the
Ring
(10/28/02 11:05:02
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Sadako Loves You
All!
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Syxxxxxx
Sadako slave
(10/28/02
5:51:19 pm)
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Re: Sadako Loves
You All!
I think that Samara was conceived ala "Rosemary's Baby". Either
that, or that doctor that she went to see gave her some pretty @#%$
up fertility drugs. The fact that Mr. Morgan says, "I don't have a
daughter" and "She was never supposed to have that child" pretty
much bottom lines it. Two normal people won't breed psycho-kinetic
hellspawn.
Edited by: Syxxxxxx
at: 10/28/02 5:51:41 pm
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SadakoIsEve
further down the Spiral
(10/28/02 5:58:47 pm)
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Loves You All!
Pychokenetic yes. Hellspawn no. Thus she had normal parents of
Richard and Anne in my humble opnion.
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Syxxxxxx
Sadako slave
(10/28/02
6:05:38 pm)
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Loves You All!
I disagree. If you can manifest yourself beyond the grave, that
goes way beyond psychokinesis.
Edited by: Syxxxxxx
at: 10/28/02 6:06:29 pm
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SadakoIsEve
further down the Spiral
(10/28/02 6:08:33 pm)
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Sadako Loves You All!
Nensha. Besides you are no expert on ghosts nor am I
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Syxxxxxx
Sadako slave
(10/28/02
6:12:03 pm)
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Re: Is Samara
from Japan?
If she was strictly psychokinetic then she would cease to be able
to use her powers when the brain died. But she can still mess with
people's minds from beyond the grave. Therefore, she is not of this
world.
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SadakoIsEve
further down the Spiral
(10/28/02 6:18:10 pm)
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Re: Re: Is
Samara from Japan?
You can ignore me if you want, you can accept it, you can hate the
mystery, or you can hope sequel answers but for me nensha +
unfinished business = back from the grave. Notice how the husband
and wife really had to dig around to get information that the
Morgans even HAD a daughter. Being killed by your mom at eight years
old would probably leave you as a ghost in my opnion. Richard wants
to deny ever haveing a daughter *blink*
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Pauldoe
Sadako slave
(10/28/02
6:35:24 pm)
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Re: Re: Is
Samara from Japan?
Yeah, I agree....ghost.
Cheers,
P'doe
Edited by: Pauldoe
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