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Brian
shambler
(11/7/02 11:22:55 pm)
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Interesting Question
Hello all! I was just talking about The Ring with my friend today, and he brought up an interesting fact.

#1. When the "woman" come out of the TV, she is a full grown woman, not a little girl.

#2. What happened the Samara's real mother? She died mysteriously...this ties into #3

#3. Why do they show Samara by the well as SOON as she gets out of rehab?

My conclusion: The person comming out of the TV is not Samara, but in fact her real mother, who was also thrown into the well.

PLZ tell me what you think
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Turtle God Kame
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(11/7/02 11:33:00 pm)
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you're a bit off
1) if you go by the japanese version (and I'm sure the sequal will settle this), she is in the well for about 30 years alive.

it wasnt the bad sadako in the well, but that's told in ring0, so I dont think that applies.

however, if she didnt live for 30yrs, then it was her soul that lived that long, thus projecting what her adult self looks like.

2) her real mother killed herself because she couldnt live without her child, the child she so loved and wanted many times (and gdamnit, she tried alot!)!!!!

3) samara was psychic, I'm sure she probably knew she was going to die... though the question is why she let it happen...

*) no, it wasnt her mother coming out of the tv, it was in fact samara, her mother didnt have that rage and ambition to kill.

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Rhyamoonlight
Sadako slave
(11/8/02 12:29:19 am)
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Re: you're a bit off
2) her real mother killed herself because she couldnt live without her child, the child she so loved and wanted many times (and gdamnit, she tried alot!)!!!!


no.... her mother kill'd herself because of guilt... or maybe because the horses were still drow'n themselvs and there still wasnt fish and ect... she thought everythign would get better once she killed Samara... but it wasnt.. so she killed herself...

*) no, it wasnt her mother coming out of the tv, it was in fact samara, her mother didnt have that rage and ambition to kill.


She killed her child.


me...

JustaPinoy
Sadako slave
(11/8/02 12:36:20 am)
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Re: you're a bit off
I like the theory that Anna killed herself because of guilt, but I'm still leaning on the idea that her hallucinations and other problems got MUCH much words after Anna killed her.. Leading to her swan dive. I dunno, maybe a combo of both. Anyone else have any thoughts on this?

Rhyamoonlight
Sadako slave
(11/8/02 1:04:43 am)
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Re: you're a bit off
well i think it was a combo of guilt... she thoguht things would get better.. she even said that to Samara before she push'd her in .. and they didnt.. so the stress of that...and that the visions didnt stop.. the horses were still drown'n themselv's.. and so forth...

what i dont understand is that the horses got better after Anna killed herself.. why?


me...

Turtle God Kame
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(11/8/02 1:13:12 am)
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yeah...
I mean guilt... she thought she "had" to kill her to end the evil, and dispite that, she did love her and it would have been very difficult to have done that.

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JustaPinoy
Sadako slave
(11/8/02 1:17:55 am)
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Re: you're a bit off
Hmm.. I was led to believe that Anna killed herself the same day that she killed Samara (Same clothes...?). But, if there was a space between the time of Samara's death and Anna's swan dive, perhaps Samara still had her imprint on Anna, much like how Samara had her imprint on Rachel to terrify the horse on the ferry. And thus resulted in reoccurence of the horses drownings, and when Anna died, the remaining horses returned to normal.

Rhyamoonlight
Sadako slave
(11/8/02 1:42:02 am)
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Re: you're a bit off
no hun.... i will look into it more.. but i am Sure she waited... i think maybe .. 7 days.,.... not sure...


me.....

angrygn0me
Sadako slave
(11/8/02 5:53:35 am)
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News of Samara?
The only thing I don't understand is why there were no investigations, no newspaper articles or anything of the sort which would imply that anyone looked for Samara. People knew she exsisted didn't they? Did they ever wonder where she went? Come to think of it the doctor did think she was still in the mental ward... but didn't anyone else notice the Morgan child was gone?

DaMan791
out from the well
(11/8/02 6:12:24 am)
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Re: News of Samara?
Maybe no one cared about Samara beacuse people thaught she was crazy.

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mellybeanTC
further down the Spiral
(11/8/02 7:24:43 am)
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Re: News of Samara?
Anna leans over the well and looks down after she pushes Samara in ... i wonder if Samara's energy was already able to manifest itself and push itself upward (as in the way she made the first tapes?). or if she had already imprinted so much of herself on her mother that her mother was driven to suicide by continuing visions?

i notice on the "newspaper stories" on the movie sites that in Anna's obituary, there's no mention of her having a child. obituaries usually mention something like "mother of" or if other relatives have died recently. that says to me that the whole community didn't really care how or why she was gone, just that she was gone.

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Turtle God Kame
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(11/8/02 11:56:59 am)
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if memory serves me right...
"why there were no investigations"

this was because the town was plagued and terrified of the girl! everything was going wrong, crops were dieing, horses going crazy, ect... but not just for the morgans, for the whole town! even one of the ladies eluded that everyone wanted her dead.

that the case, I'm sure they wouldnt investigate further...

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mikejonas
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(11/8/02 12:40:49 pm)
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Re: Interesting Question
Quote:
#1. When the "woman" come out of the TV, she is a full grown woman, not a little girl.


Nope. Personally, I still credit that to Verbinski's use of camera angles, to not make Samara look dwarfed by Noah. Plus, Daveigh Chase (whom the press has said had to don the Rob Zombie makeup for the scene) isn't as tiny as she seems...the photos in the premiere have her practically twice as tall as David Dorfman, who played Aidan.

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#2. What happened the Samara's real mother? She died mysteriously...this ties into #3


She kills herself, as we see in the video. Some of our posters believe that she kept being tormented by Samara, and I can see how that's plausible, but having her kill herself out of guilt makes a little bit more sense to me.


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#3. Why do they show Samara by the well as SOON as she gets out of rehab?


The way the calendar works out (based on the documents we see in the official website), Samara was in the hospital for several months, then was checked out by Richard. Months later, when the horses began dying and Anna was going insane, both she and Samara were taken to the hospital. A few weeks later, both of them were discharged, and soon after that (perhaps just a matter of days), Samara is thrown in the well and Anna kills herself.

mikejonas
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(11/8/02 12:43:19 pm)
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Re: if memory serves me right...
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"why there were no investigations"

this was because the town was plagued and terrified of the girl! everything was going wrong, crops were dieing, horses going crazy, ect... but not just for the morgans, for the whole town! even one of the ladies eluded that everyone wanted her dead.

that the case, I'm sure they wouldnt investigate further...


And, like the doctor, they may well have assumed that the Morgans took her back to Eola and left her there.