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inteferon 
out from the well
(11/8/02 5:36:40 pm)
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How did Richard Morgan evade the curse for so long?
Speculation fodder:

Although Richard did ultimately succumb, for the longest time he appears to have been living a fairly normal life. When Rachel first encounters him, he is idyllically repairing a fence on the ranch as though he doesn't have another care in the world. Assuming that Samara was pushed into the well around 1978, Richard appears to have ridden out the storm for 20+ years with no apparent ill effects. Yet he was one of Samara’s main tormentors. Any theories?

Lee Fiora Solus
further down the Spiral
(11/8/02 5:41:45 pm)
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Re: How did Richard Morgan evade the curse for so long?
Maybe it was because he didnt actually see the tape. He may have heard about it due to his reaction when Rachel mentions it to him.

"What is my purpose in this world? I do not know. However, I will make the time worth it as long as I am alive."

CptObvious
further down the Spiral
(11/8/02 5:45:49 pm)
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agreed... or he may have viewed it and showed it to someone else some time ago. I think he may have viewed it, why then would he ask "Did you make any copies?"...unless of course he had heard that to break the curse you must show it to someone else.

Lee Fiora Solus
further down the Spiral
(11/8/02 5:55:36 pm)
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Ah I forgot that part. It makes a little more sense now.

"What is my purpose in this world? I do not know. However, I will make the time worth it as long as I am alive."

SadakoIsEve
the chosen infected
(11/8/02 6:30:50 pm)
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Re: Re: How did Richard Morgan evade the curse for so long?
He was refering to medical tape not the cursed tape

mikejonas
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(11/8/02 6:42:44 pm)
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He was refering to medical tape not the cursed tape


Again, not everything's cut and dried about The Ring, and we should avoid making statements as if they were facts if they're actually just opinions.

Remember that Rachel also tells him that her son's life is at stake, and Richard replies with grim confidence, "He *will* die"...that's not something that corroborates the theory that Richard was referring to SM0015.

Finally, I think some of us have also jumped to the conclusion that Richard and Anna killed themselves under the direct influence of the curse. It's still plausible--and IMO more likely--that Anna killed herself more out of grief than any lingering mindscrewing from Samara, and that Richard, somehow less affected by Samara's powers, killed himself not out of some "command" from the curse, but because his efforts to cover up the dreadful family secret had failed even after 20 years, and he couldn't stand to stick around to see Samara wreak more evil in the world.

JustaPinoy
Sadako slave
(11/8/02 6:51:21 pm)
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Re: Re: How did Richard Morgan evade the curse for so long?
Why would he be talking about the interview tape? The tape was IN HIS HOUSE, why would he think that Rachel entered his house, stole the tape, then show the tape to him? That doesn't make sense.

I highly doubt he saw the tape that Rachel shows him. I don't think he knows whats on the tape that Rachel shows him, only that he knows that Samara made it. He knows that Samara creates horrific and disturbing images thats why he doesn't want to see the tape.

And, if he has seen the tape, why would he be so relieved to hear that she made a copy? Why would he be relieved that Rachel helped spread Samaras death curse?

Anyone else have any thoughts on this?

JyPsy
citizen of the Loopworld
(11/8/02 7:00:55 pm)
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also he could have seen it, made a copy and PUT IT IN THE CABIN! just a theory.

~JyPsy
The great phoob of the universe

Rhyamoonlight
further down the Spiral
(11/8/02 7:13:14 pm)
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he never saw the tape... she made the tape.. the guys tried to tape a football game.. and she put those images and the curse into the tape......


me....

SadakoIsEve
the chosen infected
(11/8/02 7:21:26 pm)
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You have your pronouns wrong Rhyamoonlight.
They not she made the tape (Cabin teenagers)
The girls tried to tape a football game (again.. the teens)

CptObvious
further down the Spiral
(11/8/02 7:36:54 pm)
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Re: Re: How did Richard Morgan evade the curse for so long?
if he hasnt seen the tape...WHY WOULD HE ASK IF SHE HAD COPIED IT?

miharu
everyone will suffer
(11/8/02 7:45:29 pm)
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the kids in cabin 12 are probably not the first people to accidentally tape the samaravid and it was probably not the first time someone came up to him about the tape, his dialouge with rachel points to that.

-miharu

she never sleeps...

InfluxDatum
citizen of the Loopworld
(11/8/02 7:51:02 pm)
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my $0.02
"Although Richard did ultimately succumb, for the longest time he appears to have been living a fairly normal life."

I think he was living a normal life to a great extent, but not completely free from haunts from Samara. He and the doctor on the island were probably living normal lives.

"When Rachel first encounters him, he is idyllically repairing a fence on the ranch as though he doesn't have another care in the world."

It is called retirement.

"Assuming that Samara was pushed into the well around 1978, Richard appears to have ridden out the storm for 20+ years with no apparent ill effects. Yet he was one of Samara’s main tormentors. Any theories?"

I think he was tormented. But trying to live a normal life still. Or perhaps he was living a 100% normal life, yet with a putrified conscience of the past. When Rachel shows up at his door, he realizes that the influence of Samara has extended far beyond his control and expectations and he just can't take it anymore. He did not die because of a curse. He never watched the cursed tape that originated from Cabin 12.

Just to correct you. Richard never tormented Samara. It was the other way around.

ApacheRose
Sadako slave
(11/8/02 8:21:58 pm)
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>>> if he hasnt seen the tape...WHY WOULD HE ASK IF SHE HAD COPIED IT? <<<

I think this here says it all.

Also there is a great quote from Richard, something about "once you fix one thing, a problem pops up again somewhere else..." it seems that he is reffering to farm work, but we know better.

I think that Richard has seen the tape, and has spent the last 20 years in damage control, and Rachel coming around just proves to him that it will never stop. He kills himself because he is so tired.

-Diana

"In search of a better quote"

InfluxDatum
citizen of the Loopworld
(11/8/02 8:34:23 pm)
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exactly what i said
"I think that Richard has seen the tape, and has spent the last 20 years in damage control"

Richard had in his posession Tape SM0015 from the mental hospital. This is *NOT* the cursed tape.

Richard refused to see the cursed tape (the tape that was obtained on Cabin 12. The same tape the kids where using to try to record the football game, but was utilized by Samara to create the video) from Rachel. Why? Because Rachel indicated that it came from that mountain resort place - the place with the well. And he knew better...

", and Rachel coming around just proves to him that it will never stop. He kills himself because he is so tired."

Exactly what i said.

SadakoIsEve
the chosen infected
(11/8/02 8:35:06 pm)
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That seems to work out ApacheRose

InfluxDatum
citizen of the Loopworld
(11/8/02 8:50:28 pm)
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explanation
"if he hasnt seen the tape...WHY WOULD HE ASK IF SHE HAD COPIED IT?"

First, because he knew what Samara was capable of. Second, I got the impression that he was a bit concerned with his private life and Anna's. Third, he might have been approached by others prior to Rachel. And they too had a cursed tape This event might have been a recurring one. It does not take much for Samara to just think a tape into being.

Had Richard seen the tape, he would have died after the 7th day by the hands of Samara. You did not see that happen. And he is not the kind of person that would make a copy of the tape and pass it along to prevent his own death.

"the kids in cabin 12 are probably not the first people to accidentally tape the samaravid and it was probably not the first time someone came up to him about the tape, his dialouge with rachel points to that."

Precisely.

inteferon 
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(11/8/02 9:45:35 pm)
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Not SM0015
When Rachel first meets Richard, she tells him that she has a tape with images of his wife, of horses, etc. She tells him that she believes that there is a message from his wife on the tape. He could not reasonably have thought that she was talking about SM0015 because he would have known that there are no such images on that tape or any messages from his wife; he knew that SM0015 was a clinical tape exclusively about Samara.

Edited by: inteferon  at: 11/8/02 10:23:15 pm
SadakoIsEve
the chosen infected
(11/8/02 9:56:43 pm)
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If you wish to be a smart alec infeteron I guess that is your costitutional right. I shall nontheless put blind stubborn faith behind my own theories and live with that ^_^

inteferon 
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(11/8/02 9:57:42 pm)
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Quote: "Just to correct you. Richard never tormented Samara. It was the other way around."

I'm not sure that I agree. Samara tells us on SM0015 that Daddy doesn't love her. You've got to do some mean stuff to a little girl that age to have her believe that about her Daddy. Samara also complains (via Aidan) that daddy isolated her in the horse barn. Daddy tries to wipe out all records and memory of someone who "wants to be heard". Sounds like torment to me....

inteferon 
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(11/8/02 10:17:28 pm)
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Re: Re: How did Richard Morgan evade the curse for so long?
Quote: "And, if he has seen the tape, why would he be so relieved to hear that she made a copy? Why would he be relieved that Rachel helped spread Samaras death curse?"

I don't think think he was relieved to hear that. His initial attitude seemed to be imploring, kind of: "For heaven's sake, please tell me that you didn't make a copy!" When Rachel confirms his fear that she did make a copy, he seems to become grim and determined. He louses about meddlers creating work for him and sets about to take corrective action. However, as far as I could tell, the only work that he set about to do was to stage his suicide and take a swack of video gear out with him.

inteferon 
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(11/8/02 10:34:58 pm)
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Re: Not SM0015
Dear SadakoIsEve:

I'm not trying to be a smart alec, just offering an opinion based on some (subjective) observations that I made. No-one is necessarily right or wrong here and there is no prize for winning this debate. I would be interested to consider what factors corroborate your SM0015 theory. Having a good sense of what Richard thought, did or knew is fairly pivotal (in my mind) to the subject at hand.

JustaPinoy
Sadako slave
(11/8/02 10:36:10 pm)
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Ok well assuming Richard has seen the tape and has been under "Damage Control" for the past 20 years, there has been one thing has been bugging me if this is the case.

Why weren't the doctors able to connect Katie's (and later Noahs) deaths to the previous deaths. Having a logged body in a residential environment is sure to stir some kind of investigation. And if Samara has been killing for the past 20 years, I'm sure doctors and investigators would be able to connect the dots from Katie's death to the last known logged death, not just reasoning that the "Heart just stopped" or "I dunno".

Anyone have any comments on this?

Edited by: JustaPinoy at: 11/8/02 10:38:05 pm
inteferon 
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(11/8/02 10:52:39 pm)
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Re: Lack of investigation/connection of deaths
You raise good points and I have wondered that too. The conclusion that I came to is that the film makers only had 100 minutes to focus on the main thrust of the story and that the sequel (and TV series? <ack!>) will tie up those loose ends. Others on other threads have pointed out that perhaps the remake writers did a sloppy job in keeping the tone consistent and the continuation tidy. I did read somewhere that Dreamworks scooped the remake rights in record time and were perhaps in a hurry to release for the Halloween market.

SadakoIsEve
the chosen infected
(11/8/02 11:03:51 pm)
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I know I know and I have no proof. I'm just a gosh darn stubborn head. I am glad you understand we both have our own opnions and neither is necesarily wrong

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shambler
(11/8/02 11:09:21 pm)
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Well.....
What what the doctors have concluded? It isn't as if people were dying left and right. It's a smattering here, and outbreak there, over time (at least that's how I saw it from seeing the film). Plus, they are being killed by an evil ghost so even if they did make a connection they wouldn't have come to THAT conclusion.

It's exactly why it is an urban legend in that area. Enough people know to spread it...but it isn't quite credible enough to be accepted by the mainstream....

samaraismybiach
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(11/8/02 11:31:07 pm)
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Answers?
Why weren't the doctors able to connect Katie's (and later Noahs) deaths to the previous deaths. Having a logged body in a residential environment is sure to stir some kind of investigation.

You have to remember where the film stops. Noah dies just about at the end of the film. I would expect this to be addressed in the sequel (yes, I would bet $$ there will be a sequel).

And if Samara has been killing for the past 20 years, I'm sure doctors and investigators would be able to connect the dots from Katie's death to the last known logged death, not just reasoning that the "Heart just stopped" or "I dunno".

Perhaps, but we don't know how many people have died over the years. If there have only been a death or two every couple of years, it's very possible no one has put two and two together. It appears that conditions have to be exactly right (someone recording in Cabin 12) for a cursed tape to be made.

Now, with Katie's and Noah's respective demises so close together, I would fully expect someone to make the connection re the condition of the corpses. We'll have to wait until the sequel to see this.

Even if there were an investigation, though, it would always end up unsolved. There was no logical reason for the bodies to look that way. As was previously mentioned, any investigation would have eventually run into a dead end. Unless Scully and Mulder get involved, the cause of death will always turn out to be unknown.

hm2k
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(11/9/02 12:03:14 am)
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See my topic, 'The Samara Morgan Project'. It is kind of sloppy, and borrows heavily from 'Blair Witch', but it does explain how everything could have happened.

Not how it *did* happen, mind you, but how it could have.

--
hm2k

JustaPinoy
Sadako slave
(11/9/02 12:22:09 am)
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samaraismybiach, I was just looking at both sides of the issue. I firmly believe that Richard Morgan hasn't seen that tape, other than he knows that Samara made it.

And if he knows that Samara made the tapes, why couldn't he just rip out the VCR in the cabin and end it right there?

but we don't know how many people have died over the years. If there have only been a death or two every couple of years, it's very possible no one has put two and two together.

Even so, however even one unexplained death would (IMO) have a large impact on the science community, given the circumstances.

Edited by: JustaPinoy at: 11/9/02 12:25:58 am
samaraismybiach
shambler
(11/9/02 12:59:00 am)
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Re: More Answers?
samaraismybiach, I was just looking at both sides of the issue.

I know. That's part of the fun of this film, I suspect. So much is open to interpretation.


I firmly believe that Richard Morgan hasn't seen that tape, other than he knows that Samara made it.


Personally, I haven't totally made up my mind about this one. On one hand, he's obviously aware of what Samara's been up to post mortem. He's not an idiot, he probably knows better than to watch the video---Samara would be all too eager to get back at dear old dad.

On the other hand, what was he doing with all of that video equipment?



And if he knows that Samara made the tapes, why couldn't he just rip out the VCR in the cabin and end it right there?


They'd just replace it if he did. Unless, of course, he explained why a VCR shouldn't be in there. Assuming anyone believed him, there would be no way of explaining without revealing what was buried under that cabin.


...even one unexplained death would (IMO) have a large impact on the science community, given the circumstances.


Perhaps. It may be later revealed that someone did investigate these deaths, but was unable to come up with a scientific explanation. Perhaps they should have had some sort of scene in the film of Katie's body being autopsied, with the coroner mentioning he/she had seen this before. Maybe we'll get that with the second film.

JyPsy
citizen of the Loopworld
(11/9/02 1:26:41 am)
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maybe the investigator found the tape, watched it, then died.
end of investigation.

otherwise, about richard, please note something, he looked really pale throughout the movie....and also he was reparing a fence.......where there were no horses. kinda odd. it seemed to be where a corral should have been........i know i wouldnt bother after losing everything, including my prized horses.

~JyPsy
The great phoob of the universe

inteferon 
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(11/9/02 1:40:47 am)
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"maybe the investigator found the tape, watched it, then died. end of investigation."

LOL - how obvious! I was wondering what happened to Detective Columbo. Now if only Geraldo Riviera and Bill Kurtis would pick up the trail.......

Bruised Pristine
Sadako slave
(11/9/02 2:32:55 am)
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Richard
maybe the investigator found the tape, watched it, then died.
end of investigation.


Um, I'm thinking, no. If there's an investigation and the detective dies, you bet the police force is gonna be working double-time on the case, not just letting it go. Dead cop = huge-ass investigation. And in the case of Samara, lots more dead cops, probably. *g*

Anyway. I have to say, Richard definately does seem to have felt adverse effects from Samara. Not necessarily her psychic powers, but just the repercussions of her birth and Anna's death. He lives far out of contact with human society, the farm is falling apart (despite his efforts to repair it), he's living in a house apparently unchanged since his wife's death, he doesn't breed horses anymore (they and Anna meant everything to him, and now he has neither) but he still lives on the farm. Despite thinking Samara evil enough that she needed to be killed, he still keeps the mental institution vid of her as well as other artifacts, and her bedroom is still perfectly preserved as well, like a shrine. He seems haunted by it all, but is apparently able to go on with his life until someone confronts him with apparent evidence of his daughter.

Like I said in some other thread (I think it was the one about Richard getting a bum rap), I don't think he knows about The Tape, as in the tape where Samara pops out of the well. Just with the way the dialogue is written, with neither of them saying things in exact terms makes me think that the writers were deliberately trying to miselead us. If the writers wanted us to think Richard knew about The Tape, the characters would have talked about the tape directly and not danced in circles around it. They also probably wouldn't have had the subplot about the other tape. They were deliberately misleading us to think Richard meant The Tape, just like they misled us with the dialogue between Aidan and Rachel about "the dark place", and the 'angry ghost just wants a permanent resting place' subplot.

Also, I know when Noah goes to get the tape and its revealed that Richard has it, there's a list of names and dates on the box. Can somebody make out the dates? because then we'll know when Richard stole it, and if there was enough time for him to believe that someone copied it and sent it out into the world.

Like I said before, I think Richard thinks the tape Rachel has is the mental institution tape--it seems like he took it out and watched it to see if there was anything incriminating on it. It seemed like Richard thought Rachel was blackmailing him, for a story or for her own gain, with the tape, which is why he asked if she made a copy. If there's a copy, he couldn't just destroy the one Rachel has, because there would still be another copy in existance. Its the same thing as if someone's blackmailing you with a photograph--they show you the photo of you naked with the senator's wife, but make sure that you know they still have the negatives.

I don't think Richard knew about the curse. Maybe he knows or suspects that Samara's evil is still working beyond the grave, maybe even to the extent that she's putting her memories onto video, but we have no reason to think he knows about any curse. I think his comment about Aidan dying was just him being nihillistic, in an "we will all die" way. Or maybe his own evil child has poisoned him against all children. Or maybe he thinks Rachel's child is afflicted with the same evil as Samara was, and she wants his help. I think if he knew about The Tape, he'd have killed himself before.

2 semi-related things:

1. I wonder if Richard and Anna ever made any home movies of Samara, and if so, how they came out.
2. I love the double-entendre of 'breeder' in the movie. Anna breeds horses, but she can't breed her own children. Until, of course, she has Samara. After Samara and Anna die, Richard tells Rachel, "I don't breed anymore". He means horses, but he could just as easily mean children.

O Deka K
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(11/9/02 3:28:27 am)
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I like what Richard said as Rachel left. "What is it with reporters? You take one person's tragedy and force the world to experience it. You spread it like sickness." More double entendres.

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Before you die... you GOTTA see The Ring!

Agent Virux
Sadako slave
(11/9/02 3:39:08 am)
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Bruised Pristine:

The date the SM0015 tape was last checked out is stamped with what looks like either "Dec 08" or "Dec 09" and is checked out by "Richard Morgan". Above that, there are names of two different nurses, with the date directly above Richard's being 11-24-78, but... the exact year is missing from Richard's own entry.

Hope that helps. :)

Agent V.
The Spiral Continues...

InfluxDatum
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(11/9/02 5:56:01 am)
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Interferon Quote "Quote: "Just to correct you. Richard never tormented Samara. It was the other way around."

I'm not sure that I agree. Samara tells us on SM0015 that Daddy doesn't love her. You've got to do some mean stuff to a little girl that age to have her believe that about her Daddy. Samara also complains (via Aidan) that daddy isolated her in the horse barn. Daddy tries to wipe out all records and memory of someone who "wants to be heard". Sounds like torment to me...."

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Samara did not have credibility. On one hand she would say that she loved her mother and on the other hand she would inject images or 'horrible thing, terrible things' to torment her. That's not love and Samara is a lier. You should know better.

Richard and Anna realized that there was something terribly wrong with Samara - something supernatural - something evil and dealt with her. They never like beat her up or spanked her or absused her in any way. Richard was trying to help relieve Anna by distancing Samara from Anna. He sought help for Samara's insomnia. Samara hated Richard for that. Everything indicates to me that he was trying hard to be a good father. The same with Anna. Anna was specially proud of Samara. Anna wanted Samara so much 'All I ever wanted was you' she said.



mikejonas
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(11/9/02 11:37:23 am)
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Richard asking about copies

From the menace that he exuded (who didn't jump when he slammed those stirrups or whatever they were on the table), I got a different meaning from Richard's asking Rachel if she made copies: If she said she hadn't made any copies, Richard would've taken the tape and destroyed it, and perhaps even harmed Rachel in the process. When she said she did make copies, his relief was only in that he wouldn't have had to do something dreadful, because doing so would be futile...his attitude was more of a "great, it's started again and I can't do anything to stop it, damn it." And he did the one thing he could do--take himself out of the equation.

samaraismybiach
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(11/9/02 1:23:21 pm)
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I dunno...
Like I said before, I think Richard thinks the tape Rachel has is the mental institution tape--it seems like he took it out and watched it to see if there was anything incriminating on it.

Remember, Rachel told him exactly what was on the cursed tape. She said it was a message from his wife, and gave a brief description of the images in the recording. There was no way he would confuse this with SM0015.

As to why he watched it, I'm guessing Rachel's visit disturbed him to the extent he wanted to see it again...it may have been the only surviving video record of Samara while she was still alive. While it didn't exactly portray a flattering picture of him, there really wasn't anything potentially incriminating against Richard on SM0015.

I don't think Richard knew about the curse. Maybe he knows or suspects that Samara's evil is still working beyond the grave, maybe even to the extent that she's putting her memories onto video, but we have no reason to think he knows about any curse. I think his comment about Aidan dying was just him being nihillistic, in an "we will all die" way.

It's difficult to know exactly how much he information he had about "the curse" (we may never know), but I had the distinct impression he knew the score. That "oh yes, he will (die)" seemed very specific to Aidan. I think if he was being nihillistic, he would have said point blank "Oh yes, we all will". In fact, I'm surprised he didn't say that, under the circumstances.

inteferon 
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(11/9/02 1:43:00 pm)
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Very well put. I too had the sense that having made a copy saved Rachel from some immediate unpleasantness at Richard's hands. Rachel appeared frightened and confused that instead of sympathy and co-operation she was getting menacing hostility. She appeared to hesitate before she answered Richard, her mind evidently racing to consider what would be the safest answer. As it turned out, the truth was best.

We've seen Rachel elsewhere in the movie as a fairly 'pushy dame' - at times excessively self-assured and over-liberated (notice her attitude towards her boss, her body language with Aidan's teacher, etc.) - I therefore wonder why she didn't approach Richard more directly and insistently. Kind of like: Now see here mister...you're in this video...this ranch is in this video...my niece's death is attributable to this tape...now I'm in danger too...This has become really personal for me...I have a sense you're caught up in this somehow...you have an obligation to help me and to deal with this...so cut the crap and let's get to it now!

Edited by: inteferon  at: 11/9/02 1:59:36 pm
devilworm
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(11/11/02 3:58:36 am)
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Mr Morgan survives curse
First of all, I think everyone has done a great job of adding opinions of what will become one of the greatest horror movies in recent history.
You have to forgive me, I am giving you the short version of my opinion, because after writing it the first time, I had problems with the login. And in short,I dont feel like writing it all again.
In short, I felt that it is highly possible, that the SM0015 video was meant to be Samaras realizing of her ability to project herself through other media.
Her father took the video with the plan of keeping others from seeing it. Some sites show newspaper clippings that say that Samaras doctors died also. And it has been shown that the records show 2 nurses checking out the video before Mr Morgan took it for good.
It would also seem odd that a doctor would stop recording his interview right when he seemed to be getting some interesting information from his patient as it is shown that she is revealing "what her father doesnt know".
Is it possible that Samara used the SM0015 video in the same way that used the most current video? As a means to project herself outside her her prison to exact revenge?
I think that Mr Morgan had previously managed to hold off the curse by holding on to the SM0015 video, and was pushed over the edge by being brought to the realization that Samara had found a new avenue of haunting the living world.
Of course, my opinion may have holes since I have only seen the movie once. But I do plan to see it again to see if there is anything that I missed.
I will finish by mentioning that I felt sympathy for Samara when she said" .... But I do, and Im sorry. It wont stop....". I felt that this hinted to Samara being a victim herself of something that she didnt understand. (Much like the way Firestarter began).
ok, I look forward to feedback on my opinion, and keep up the hype so that the book will come to the states faster.

JustaPinoy
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(11/11/02 11:51:17 am)
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The cool/chilling thing about the interview is when it is about to end and Samara says, "Daddy doesn't know...", then she looks up into the camera seemingly looking through the TV screen to see and her Dad behind Rachel. That is IMO one of the chilling parts of the movie.

Shadmere
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(11/11/02 8:13:17 pm)
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Mr Morgan survives curse
Well, he was her parent. Perhaps Samara won't kill them. They were tormented by her presence as long as she was there with them, but when she begins to really be pure evil she still recognizes them as her creators. If you are spared because you copied the tape and helped spread the curse, surely the fact that they created her in the first place would spare them.

I don't think that Mr. Morgan abused Samara. He did not love her, because he couldn't stand what was happening to his wife. He knew it was Samara's fault. And so he didn't love her. Samara knew this, because she was Samara.

inteferon 
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(11/11/02 9:00:12 pm)
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Re: Mr Morgan survives curse
Quote: <i>If you are spared because you copied the tape and helped spread the curse, surely the fact that they created her in the first place would spare them.</i>

This raises an interesting paradox and, IMO, reinforces Samara's baffling duality. It makes her all the more scary to me because she doesn't seem to operate according to any rules of logic or fair play. If her goal is purely survival and reproduction, then why be retarded by such quaint notions as justice and equity? Nietsche should rather have been her father - she would have done him proud....

MedHead 
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(11/11/02 10:34:05 pm)
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Re: Mr Morgan survives curse
I got the idea that he didn't know what the tape was, just that it was something from Samara. From what I gathered in the film, the teenagers were the first to die from this curse.

rightfulbug
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(11/12/02 5:40:18 pm)
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Re: Mr Morgan survives curse
If the kids in cabin 12 were the first to see the tape and die, then how did Becca know about it at the beginning of the movie?

Wildezword
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(11/12/02 6:00:48 pm)
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Re: Mr Morgan survives curse
I think Richard Morgan knew about the tape and the curse.

When he asks if she made any copies, he grips his tool like he's about to kill Rachel, probably reasoning that its better to kill Rachel if she's already viewed the videotape, both because in his mind it would be doing her a favor and secondly, it would act to "contain" the spread of the curse.

PlantManEXE
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(11/12/02 6:05:45 pm)
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The kids in Cabin 12...
It was an urban legend. Becca heard it from one kid, who heard it from another, who heard it from another, so on and so forth.

~PlantManEXE

rightfulbug
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(11/12/02 6:12:39 pm)
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Re: The kids in Cabin 12...
But how did Becca know it kills you if Katie and her friends were the first to see it, and they weren't dead yet?

inteferon 
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(11/12/02 6:31:43 pm)
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Re: The kids in Cabin 12...
I don't think she was telling Katie that it kills you as a statement of fact. Rather she was repeating the legend that after you watch the tape, the phone rings and you get told that you will die in seven days.

Kibagami Jubei
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(11/12/02 11:37:26 pm)
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We need a sequel people!
We need a sequel. Too many questions unanswered. Too many things open-ended and left to interpretation, therefore Dreamworks should stop making us suffer (too much fighting) and do a sequel a la Ring 0 or Rasen or Ring 2. And personally, I would like to see a sequel like Ring 0. It would be better to make this sequel because it shows the how and the origins and whatnot which should answer all our questions.

Anyhow, I really like this movie because it makes you think. I also like these little debates because they bring up some interesting things about the movie that I did not think of.

MedHead 
further down the Spiral
(11/13/02 1:37:56 am)
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Re: We need a sequel people!
What's to say the urban legend couldn't have been started by one of the other three students who eventually die?

JustaPinoy
further down the Spiral
(11/13/02 2:01:11 am)
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Re: We need a sequel people!
Yes, high school students spread viruses..

Ahem, I mean, high school students spread rumors LIKE viruses.. Silly me..

*Puts on school girl uniform*

justapinoy1: Tee hee! I heard John made out with Karen!
justapinoy2: Like, no way!
justapinoy1: Like, yes way!
justapinoy2: Like, no way!
justapinoy1: Like, yes way!
justapinoy2: Like, no way!
justapinoy2: *runs off*
justapinoy2: Heya, I heard Jim made out with Faren.. or was that Karen
justapinoy3: Does it matter??
justapinoy2: Like no! Tee hee!
justapinoy3: Tee hee! My dog got ran over! Look a butterfly!
justapinoy2&3: *Chases butterfly*

JustaPinoy
further down the Spiral
(11/13/02 2:02:21 am)
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Re: We need a sequel people!
Whoa, sorry got a little carried away..

miharu
everyone will suffer
(11/13/02 2:54:20 am)
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Re: We need a sequel people!
the rumor bit is interesting, especially to anyone who has played the persona series of videogames. basically you spread rumors, and if the rumors spread far enough.. the rumor becomes true.

there's a few other parallels from the persona games to ring, but i think it's more of a japanese cultural thing rather than ripping off (since the first persona game was released in japan in 95, i think..)

-miharu

she never sleeps...

devilworm
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(11/13/02 4:36:00 am)
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Becca heard rumors
When Becca is telling Katie the story of the curse, she tells her that she heard from some friends from the other high school that the 3 other kids were from. And yes, rumors do spread quickly. Especially if it scared them as much as it is portrayed to do. And from Beccas interpretratation of the story, it sounds like the phone call does include the whole phrase" you will die in 7 days", unlike Rachel who was just told " 7days".
And if you remember, Becca doesnt really finish telling the story. she leaves it open ended with " and on the 7th day........"

devilworm
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(11/13/02 4:43:27 am)
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"Its just fiction, Stiles."
" We're not talking about reality ,Stiles, its all ficiton"
" Reality is just what we tell each other it is, sane and insane could easily trade places if insane were to become the majority. You would find yourself in a padded cell, wondering" what happened to the world?"
--- scene from In the Mouth of Madness-----
awesome movie!!

ApacheRose
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(11/14/02 4:43:11 pm)
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Re: How did Richard Morgan evade the curse for so long?
>>>Richard had in his posession Tape SM0015 from the mental hospital. This is *NOT* the cursed tape.<<<

I *KNOW* this, and my post was not referring to SM0015 in any way. It was referrring to the cursed video. Not the physical copy that rachel has, but ones that I believe Samara has made in the past. Richard KNOWS about the video tape *AND* he knows how the curse works.

-Diana

"In search of a better quote"

Rachael
citizen of the Loopworld
(11/20/02 8:02:25 am)
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oops
meant to do this as a topic...

Edited by: Rachael at: 11/20/02 8:03:40 am