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osdia
out from the well
(12/13/02 11:11:30 am)
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Great new faq and timeline
I have read it all of them, i didn't knew that stuff of the canoe and that propably after she said: But he doesn't know cames Everyone will suffer.

I also wanted to know why in the remake timeline isn't adressed (like in the japanese one) the events of Rachel, do we know where year does this take place, its in the present?

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Everyone will suffer

Edited by: osdia at: 12/13/02 11:13:08 am
gdmariya
further down the Spiral
(12/13/02 7:28:19 pm)
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Re: Great new faq and timeline
They probably didn't include a year or anything because then the movie would be dated (well...obviously, but you get what I mean...if there's no year, the movie can apply to any time.)

I don't know...maybe someone can explain this better :S

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"From in the shadow she calls...and in the shadow she finds a way. And from the shadow she crawls..."

mikejonas
moderator
(12/13/02 8:16:09 pm)
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Re: Great new faq and timeline

Thanks for the compliments...the faq was diligently incorporated by J from the responses that miharu, kame, and all the other regulars have given to the frequently asked questions, and the timeline was culled from my own posts.

I would like to make some corrections on my timeline, though...I believe Samara and Anna were checked out of ECPH for the first time at around February, 1978 (shortly after Samara's birthday), and Samara was put in the barn sometime after that; however, the horses didn't start killing themselves till around September 1978, with Anna and Samara being readmitted to ECPH later that month or early in October. Richard checks them out again shortly afterward, and soon after that they go to Shelter Mountain.

As for when the "present day" events are set, it's a little fuzzy and conflicted--if you go by the infamous katiespage.com, then things happened in late May/early June 2002, but katiespage itself contains some inaccuracies (first of all, Katie is mentioned as if she were missing, which she never was...she's DEAD). Going by the presumption that the Cabin 12 VCR clock was properly set and that Rachel first watched the tape at sunset (at 5:13 pm), then the events took place mid-October. The year is always a little fuzzy, but if you want to get really anal retentive about it, the "Camper of the Week" Award that was in Aidan's room that got put on eBay was dated 7/25/01, so the story must've taken place after that date. :)

gdmariya
further down the Spiral
(12/13/02 8:21:06 pm)
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Re: Great new faq and timeline
>>The year is always a little fuzzy, but if you want to get really anal retentive about it, the "Camper of the Week" Award that was in Aidan's room that got put on eBay was dated 7/25/01, so the story must've taken place after that date.


Someone has really good attention to detail. ;)

EDIT: Oopsies. Just realized...you could see the date on the auction photo. D'oh! *Crawls back in corner*

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"From in the shadow she calls...and in the shadow she finds a way. And from the shadow she crawls..."

Edited by: gdmariya at: 12/13/02 8:22:50 pm
ring rasen loop
Administrator, Ring guru
(12/13/02 8:34:00 pm)
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corrections to timeline
It would appear that at least one of the dates on the timeline is attributed to a copy-and-paste error on the part of yours truly. The timeline has been reorganized and additional information added from the articles.


j.

Edited by: ring rasen loop at: 12/13/02 10:35:58 pm
JagerDevil13
shambler
(12/13/02 10:18:53 pm)
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Where can said timeline be found?

ring rasen loop
Administrator, Ring guru
(12/13/02 10:39:02 pm)
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timeline
Where can said timeline be found?

On the main site, which I do hope you've paid a visit to by now ;) .

ringworld.somrux.com/timeline2.htm


j.

Edited by: ring rasen loop at: 12/14/02 12:24:25 am
Doctor Scott
further down the Spiral
(12/13/02 11:00:44 pm)
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FAQ issues
Obviously a lot of time and effort has been put into the development of the FAQ.

I have no problem with factual questions like "what's this about a serial killer?" being addressed, but when it comes to symbolism, well, that's what discussion forums like this are for!

The FAQ as it stands is telling me what to think. For example, to some people the tree means one thing, to some it means something else; who can say who is right and who is wrong? I do not like reading in the FAQ "the tree means THIS", and "the maggots mean THIS".

I viewed the RING as a movie which stimulates discussion, imagination, and thought. Therefore, the answer to "why did Aiden say 'you weren't supposed to help her'?" is:

What do **you** think?

The answer to "why did the horses die?" is:
-What do *you* think?

Essentially, many of the questions posted on this forum mean "please think for me" and the typical reply :"this is covered in the FAQ!! Read it!!" loosely translates into "we have done all the thinking for you and have neatly organized our thoughts into an easily digestable format so that they can become your thoughts."

I hope everyone understands that all I'm saying is that I think the FAQ is a little heavy on the personal interpretation. And those interpretations are not necessarily "right".

ring rasen loop
Administrator, Ring guru
(12/14/02 12:21:07 am)
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Re: FAQ issues
The FAQ as it stands is telling me what to think.

No, it isn't. And neither am I. The FAQ is a collection of theories and / or information about the film that this community has been able to piece together. What you choose to do with that information is entirely up to you.

For example, to some people the tree means one thing, to some it means something else; who can say who is right and who is wrong?

Agreed. This is also the precise reason that the FAQ (for the Japanese version) was begun in the first place. If you have a question you just can't make sense of, you can use the FAQ as a starting point. From there, you can find something that makes sense to you, use it as a springboard for your own idea, or reject it outright and keep thinking on your own.

I do not like reading in the FAQ "the tree means THIS", and "the maggots mean THIS".

Hit control-F and see how many times quantifiers like "may" or "probably" come up. Then hop on over to the FAQ for the Japanese movies and see how many times it's been amended to include different theories from different individuals, some of the theories coming from completely unrelated ways of thinking. The Ring movies are by nature open-ended, which means any of the more arcane points in the FAQ are going to be addressed with theory, not gospel. I don't recall ever stating otherwise.

Essentially, many of the questions posted on this forum mean "please think for me" and the typical reply :"this is covered in the FAQ!! Read it!!" loosely translates into "we have done all the thinking for you and have neatly organized our thoughts into an easily digestable format so that they can become your thoughts."

I'm sorry, but I doubt that anyone who's contributed to the discussions that became the FAQ would agree with you on that. I certainly don't. The whole purpose of the community is to meet new people and generate group discussion, which leads to the formulation of new theories and ideas. The FAQ is an attempt to collect and preserve those ideas before they're deleted by the time limit that's built into the board.

I hope everyone understands that all I'm saying is that I think the FAQ is a little heavy on the personal interpretation.

I thought your argument was that much of the film is open to interpretation, so no one viewpoint should be accepted as the truth. The FAQ isn't "The Gospel According to J"-- scroll down to the bottom of the page and take a look at some of the people that contributed. If you have a different view to add, post it! It'll find its way onto the FAQ.

And those interpretations are not necessarily "right".

Which is exactly the reason why the FAQ will continue to expand and incorporate other viewpoints.


p/s - This point has been added to the FAQ.


j.



Edited by: ring rasen loop at: 12/14/02 1:32:21 am
Doctor Scott
further down the Spiral
(12/14/02 8:18:34 pm)
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Re: FAQ issues
Thank you for taking the time to answer my post. It was very thoughtful and I appreciate your response.

ring rasen loop
Administrator, Ring guru
(12/14/02 9:01:42 pm)
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Re: FAQ issues
Not at all. Thank you for bringing the point up-- it's probably something I should've done myself.


j.