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Samara is pretty hot
Sadako slave
(11/17/02 4:46:30 pm)
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Becca, Irises, Waves, etc...
I just saw the frekin movie last night...I'm pretty tired. I've only seen the remake and know little else, so that is where my ponderings will remain.

It seems I have a couple theories that I can't seem to find having already been mentioned, in my searching...so I'll place em on the table and leave:

Becca:

-She brings up the rumour of the video, and strongly implies that after seven days the watchers will die... even though at that point nobody's died yet.

-People have also noticed that she frekin just says "Payce out, homes" I think after the phone "rings". Where is Becca while her friend is getting her freak on?

-In the hospital, Becca not only foresees Rachel's fate, but uses a distinctly Samara-like voice.

For these reasons, I gotta conclude that Becca is an evil b*tch who was in cahoots w/ Samara...possibly for a Paranormal access to Satellite television.

Irises:

The movie title probably has a dozen meanings. I'm guessing that the statement that the last thing you see before you die is "the ring" not only implies all that crap about the well and viro-curses, but adds weight to the theory that Samara kills people by looking into their eyes. We all have rings in our eyes. They're called irises.

As well, there's that old saying about the eyes and the soul...

I'm guessing the Pre Sequel will add depth to the idea that Samara is from the devil.

SM00015: This is a question: I like putting colons at the end of sentences instead of periods: What is she saying about her father before the tape cuts out? Isn't she implying that he is an evil person at that point? Why the hell would the tape just cut out!

I'm guessing, as North Americans, we are being subjected to some good ol' Hollywood misleading. At that point, from our heads, the father is most likely the evil killer of poor Samara. Samara says something like "Not Daddy..." and then our protagonist gets smacked in the head.

Waves and Distortion: They keep on resurfacing throughout the movie, from the very first lines about conspiracies to the blurry faces (perhaps distorted by waves) on screens to the water in the well.

As an excitable young porn enthuist, I remember the days where I'd slam on channel 56 at 2:00 in the morning, pray my parents didn't catch me, and try to make out the boobs. And I got pretty good at discerning boobs, but they were usually bent half-way across the screen, just like the faces of the potential victims on screen. The idea that the faces being distorted as symbolic to the water of the well is a good one, too.

Moesko Ferry: Watch the movie and look on the side. It says "Washington" on there...so no Vancouver Islands (which is good cause I live in BC).

Fight Club Plagiarism: DID ANYONE ELSE NOTICE THE SUBLIMINAL 1 FRAME RING SHOTS? I noticed in the top right hand corner of the screen what appeared to be a miniature ring...but that's prolly just editing. Still, I KNOW there was one scene where the ring pops up full-blast for a second, and another scene where one of Rachel's eyes was blanked out (but that could be the film itself, and unintensional).

KuraiSoma 
out from the well
(11/17/02 7:13:17 pm)
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Re: Becca, Irises, Waves, etc...
I wouldnt call it outright plagiarism; while I cant outright point to the first film to include subliminals, I can say almost definately that fight club wasn't the first. That said, its a lovely technique and gives you something to look for in your next viewing.. btw, theres something like 5+ fullscreen flashes of the ring, and they made the cigarette burns baby rings as well ;p

SSJPabs 
further down the Spiral
(11/17/02 7:47:40 pm)
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Re: Becca, Irises, Waves, etc...
Wasn't the first movie to use subliminals made to urge the audience to buy popcorn or something? Grr... I can't recall. And the cigarette burns are in every movie, its just that fight club drew our attention to them.

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inteferon
manipulator of the Virus
(11/17/02 8:14:03 pm)
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Burn rings, etc.
The subject of 'burn rings' and film reel cueing is discussed extensively here: pub70.ezboard.com/ftherin...=803.topic

Edited by: inteferon at: 11/18/02 7:15:32 pm
Isoline
out from the well
(11/17/02 9:11:40 pm)
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Re: Becca, Irises, Waves, etc...
"Wasn't the first movie to use subliminals made to urge the audience to buy popcorn or something? Grr... I can't recall. And the cigarette burns are in every movie, its just that fight club drew our attention to them."

Yes, the first movie to use subliminals was an 1950's experiment to test audience responses to subliminal stimuli that incouraged the viewers to visit the refreshment stands and purchase snackfoods. Though the results indicated that subliminals did have the effect of hypnotic incouragement, the researchers data collection method was inaccurate thus invalidating the purpose of the test. However, this experiment did get noticed by the FTC and was deemed dishonest and scandalized to the point where it became taboo in advertising circles. Interestingly enough, there is no legal clause in the US barring the use of subliminals, in advertising or movies. Subliminals are in use more than one thinks. Not just in movies like Fight Club or The Ring, but as well in Department Stores muzak systems, with sub aural messages incouraging patrons to not shoplift or misplace items while shopping and such.

You say psycho like its a bad thing!

KuraiSoma 
out from the well
(11/17/02 10:17:55 pm)
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Re: department store music systems
I dont doubt this one a single bit, as I did my (hard) time at an Ames for a year and some change.. if I was scheduled moderatley heavy during a week, by the end of it no matter where I walked (store closing, empty hours.. basically any time) I heard what seemed to be a conversation that I couldnt understand a word of.. Ive got overly precise hearing (perfect pitch, direction of sound source,3-4x above average ability to discern gradation in pitch, able to hear in ranges both higher and lower than the norm.. not trying to toot my own horn, but my senses are pretty damn sharp; if only puberty hadnt messed with my vision! ;p) Anyways, while working there I never considered anything of the sort.. but the minute I found a better job (not hellhole retail), it stopped completely. Im basically left wondering just exactly what I was hearing, whether it was some pseudo aural/brain 'fuzz' or if I was picking up on the fact that there was something behind the irritating christmas music on a pure sound level.

SadakoIsEve
the chosen infected
(11/17/02 10:23:54 pm)
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Re: Re: department store music systems
Hehehe this is so true *tosses dynamite at them all* ^_^

mellybeanTC
further down the Spiral
(11/17/02 10:49:04 pm)
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Re: Re: department store music systems
no joke, wah! http://www.muzak.com/ here's one small bit:

"Muzak's In-Store Marketing allows you to speak to your target audience subtly, yet convincingly. Blended seamlessly with appropriate music, our customized messages have been proven to increase sales."

i'm really good at blocking out "white noise" and muzak falls in that category for me. with a movie like The Ring, i hyperfocus on the sights and sounds of the movie and tune out the audience and theater noises.

peace,
mellybeanTC

miharu
everyone will suffer
(11/17/02 10:50:34 pm)
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Re: Re: department store music systems
can anyone believe that muzak was created by one of the guys in the specials? it almost makes me want to cry ^^;

-miharu

she never sleeps...

Rachael
out from the well
(11/18/02 9:54:04 am)
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THANK YOU!!
I have perfect pitch and exceptional hearing as well!! I now know why I feel agitated in certain stores and that I'm not just hearing voices in my head. I hear it almost as whispering, and sometimes it sounds like crappy speakers.

I can't wait to go to Target and really pay attention now!!!!

Does anyone here "feel" sound waves as well as hear them? Like you can hear a radio 6 houses away and know what song it is, even though you don't really "hear" it?? The subliminals in stores come through like that.

Ghetto Ring
citizen of the Loopworld
(11/18/02 11:25:50 am)
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Re: THANK YOU!!
Becca is not in cahoots with samara, but interesting thought. What happened was Becca saw samara either during or after samara crawled out of the tv and was most likely in the room when katie died. I believe the books or the japanese movies explain this, but as a result of seeing smara kill yet not seeing the video she was infected as a carrier of the curse. So she's semi-cursed. Samara can now use her to convey messages and such, i.e. the 4 days left to live bit.

This is Samara?!



-One man, one obsession: The Ring!

Rachael
out from the well
(11/18/02 11:50:39 am)
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that's what I think
I agree. You don't see all of Katie's room in that shot. Becca could have been at the head of the bed with her knees drawn up, or on the floor on the far side of the bed.

If I see it again, I'll be sure to look for Becca while everyone else is trying to figure out why a well is on the TV...

inteferon
manipulator of the Virus
(11/18/02 12:25:50 pm)
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Re: that's what I think
In the original, Becca's counterpart says something like: "I'm going to the toilet. Don't go upstairs without me". Shortly thereafter Tomoko's (Katie's) time runs out and she appears to die while still on the ground floor (and with Tomoko perhaps still in the washroom). Somehow, I don't think who was where and when has that much significance. What seems to matter is that when Samara/Sadako comes for you at the appointed time, you die! And if you're an innocent bystander (even in another room), you're close enough to 'the presence' and it scars you for life.